Thread: In defense of WHM 4.0

Originally Posted by Gemina

From what I can tell, the intention of the lily gauge is not to deliberately toss unneeded heals trying to fill it up. Why would anyone do this? The question I am asking is how hard are these Stormblood mobs going to hit? The reason why I ask this, is because the more damage the group takes, the more powerful the WHM becomes. That is what this lily gauge does. You potentially get stronger and faster until you have to use an ability like Assize, or Asylum.

Except that's not at ALL what the lillies do. Having them does NOTHING for your standard cures, they ONLY reduce the recast of tetra, assize, asylum, and benison. So, no, you don't get stronger as you keep healing until you have to use one of those abilities. You're also highly unlikely to see more than one lilly (with it's measly 4% cooldown reduction on a single ability) unless you're either spamming heals even when unnecessary (apparently the "proper" way to play WHM now) or holding on to those abilities long past when they come off cooldown (In which case WHAT IS THE POINT in a cooldown reduction!?)

The difference between lillies and cards (i dont agree with your rates, i see 10 cast for 3 lillies at 20.13% prob, and spear as 33% since draw+redraw doesnt have the same probs), is that you're force to cast 10 cure/cure II in a 30s delay for whm, while AST just have to press 2 ogcd.

And ffs, its comparing 1/6 of the card 3.0 system against the whole lillies mechanic x)

It should feels way more rewarding than that!

i was comparing a whole mechanic (lillies), with 1/6th of another (cards).
And i'm comparing 2ogcd of ast against 10 gcd of WHM (which is indeed unfair for the whm, cause he need way more stuff to have less in the end.)
And yes, i agree, its unfair, that's the whole point. A whole gauge mechanic is less effective than a spear card.

For the rate of whm spells, i calculated it as if you threw a dice of 5 faces 10 times, you have 20.13% of chances to get 3 times the same face. (or throwing coins with 20%/80% chances 10 times and getting 3 times the right one also has 20.13%)

Didnt do the exact math for AST cause it is close to 1/3 anyway.

The 5s reduction from crit isnt related to the gauge.

I only have one request for those thinking of quitting the game over this. Please just give it a try first. This is literally nothing but conjecture. They're still tweaking the system right now. We don't know what the final product will be.

Originally Posted by javid

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I appreciate the effort you put into that reply, but nothing about it changes the fact that Cure spamming isn't a desirable WHM play style. Even the examples you provided illustrate options for very specific situations, not any kind of universal best practice.

Generally I do prefer to wait and see, but in this case it's fair and appropriate to express doubt. An RNG Job mechanic that depends on two single-target healing spells out of the considerable WHM repertoire? That alone is cause for some concern, even if SB content somehow does depend inordinately on frequent single-target, hard-cast heals (unlikely).

Originally Posted by Cynfael

I appreciate the effort you put into that reply, but nothing about it changes the fact that Cure spamming isn't a desirable WHM play style. Even the examples you provided illustrate options for very specific situations, not any kind of universal best practice.

A lot of folks are wanting the lillies to proc of of regents and I think that would be too much. But if they let me proc of medica/medica2 heal portion for say 20% proc rate and increase the single rate a bit, it might be a decent system allowing you to use assize or asylum more frequently. Allowing them to proc of a regen heal is just too much though. They'd be nothing to generate. Also, the new conte t could be such that cure and cure 2 are more desirable. We just don't know at this point.

Originally Posted by Cynfael

Generally I do prefer to wait and see, but in this case it's fair and appropriate to express doubt. An RNG Job mechanic that depends on two single-target healing spells out of the considerable WHM repertoire? That alone is cause for some concern, even if SB content somehow does depend inordinately on frequent single-target, hard-cast heals (unlikely).

The whole raid content doesn't need to be always single target heavy healing. There can be sufficient sequences throughout the raid content that lends well to WHM cure spams; as oppose to SCH/AST instant heal spamming. In those instances WHM's sustain will outshine the other two and provide sustain reliability over the other two jobs and potentially translate into increase reliable dps.

Again current content Creator savage (besides the one example of faust) did not mandate any such sequence (except a12s tankbuster sequence also). So the community having creator presently in mind forget the cures spam mandate of gordias (and the few spams during midas).