In defense of WHM 4.0

**BlueMageQuina** · 06-01-2017 08:52 AM

The only thing I can say is relevantly "in defense" of WHM in my opinion is the fact that we don't know what is replacing the 7 skills we're losing.

(Protect, CS, Esuna, Divine Seal, Shroud of Saints and both Stoneskins)

Unless one of you does know, then please do share.

**Semirhage** · 06-01-2017 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by BlueMageQuina

The only thing I can say is relevantly "in defense" of WHM in my opinion is the fact that we don't know what is replacing the 7 skills we're losing.

(Protect, CS, Esuna, Divine Seal, Shroud of Saints and both Stoneskins)

Unless one of you does know, then please do share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh6K_81v4ds

Nothing. We are getting nothing to replace them.

Though to be fair, that's not entirely a WHM issue, since the great prune of 4.0 is also stripping the skills out of several other jobs.

**Levy9** · 06-01-2017 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by bswpayton

My question to u would be what about what youve heard does whm shine better at than the other two healers ?

Fighting groups of enemies, and by association, 4 man dungeons or raids that feature groups of mobs as a core obstacle to overcome. With the Scholar's reduction in AoE damage and the WHM's new instant cast abilities and reduced recast times, you should be able to do the highest personal AoE damage among all healers while popping instant abilities like Benediction, Tetra, Assize and Indulgence to keep your party healed. Presence of Mind -> Thin Air will be a good buff combination for pumping out Holy AoE DPS at no cost to your mp. You should be able to put out more DPS in any sustained AoE encounter without bankrupting your mp supply.

Throw in a lily procced (3) Assize while Presence of Mind is still up and I believe you'll get a 36 second reduction in recast time for Assize. (Assuming that PoM's recast reduction will stack with the lilies recast reduction). Holy already has built-in damage mitigation in the form of a stun and now Assize gives you the full AoE damage while contributing to your regen on the tank. Not forgetting Aero III dots on top of all of this, the WHM should be a monster in AoE encounters. The question is, how much endgame content in Stormblood will call for heavy/fast AoE damage? This is one of the reasons why I won't make a definitive call on WHM. I have no idea what kind of content or scenarios are planned for endgame in Stormblood.

**Fernosaur** · 06-01-2017 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Virus was useful in some cases, but all healers loose it so that’s okay I guess. However, it’s not okay that WHM lost all those skills to the pool and got not a single one back, one of them being a freaking job skill. So in other words, we just won’t have a level 40 job skill anymore???
As the only class on the entire game? It’s just gone from there? WTF?

Was addressed by someone who knows BLM better and proven to be false, too. Still pretty sure SCH offers more direct DPS then WHM now.

Just to clarify, SCH also lost the lvl 40 job skill, since it was Leeches. It's still a better quality of life option for SCH, tho, since now they can actually heal through Totorak or Cutter's Cry. I'm not sure about SCH's DPS being higher than WHM's, though.

WHM still has the highest potencies in everything. SCH's DPS in single target is kinda middle ground, while AoE is hilariously bad. AST has some pretty mediocre single target DPS, but I don't know how The Lord card will affect it.

I have to make it clear, tho. I agree with you on everything, just bringing more "neutral" information with the post.

AST has powercreeped way too much into WHM's shoes, even into SCH's now. The game is completely broken now.

**Yuyuka3** · 06-01-2017 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Levy9

The question is, how much endgame content in Stormblood will call for heavy/fast AoE damage? This is one of the reasons why I won't make a definitive call on WHM. I have no idea what kind of content or scenarios are planned for endgame in Stormblood.

I'm pretty confident I can answer you this question, based on what HW had: none. And even it, what use is it when AST has Earthly Star, Gravity, AND group DPS buffs on top of that? None. Which is exactly what we tried to explain to you this entire time... WHM "utility", or the sorry excuse it has in that regard (and even that runs towards 0), won't do anything to keep the class relevant in the face of AST and SCH who offer just so. much. more.

Originally Posted by Fernosaur

Just to clarify, SCH also lost the lvl 40 job skill, since it was Leeches. It's still a better quality of life option for SCH, tho, since now they can actually heal through Totorak or Cutter's Cry. I'm not sure about SCH's DPS being higher than WHM's, though.

WHM still has the highest potencies in everything. SCH's DPS in single target is kinda middle ground, while AoE is hilariously bad. AST has some pretty mediocre single target DPS, but I don't know how The Lord card will affect it.

I have to make it clear, tho. I agree with you on everything, just bringing more "neutral" information with the post.

AST has powercreeped way too much into WHM's shoes, even into SCH's now. The game is completely broken now.

Okay, thank you for your input in this. I thought SCH single target DPS was a little higher. I revise my opinion on this topic, then, but as you yourself said, it won't exactly save WHM at all...

**Tsubaki75** · 06-01-2017 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Levy9

Fighting groups of enemies, and by association, 4 man dungeons or raids that feature groups of mobs as a core obstacle to overcome. With the Scholar's reduction in AoE damage and the WHM's new instant cast abilities and reduced recast times, you should be able to do the highest personal AoE damage among all healers while popping instant abilities like Benediction, Tetra, Assize and Indulgence to keep your party healed. Presence of Mind -> Thin Air will be a good buff combination for pumping out Holy AoE DPS at no cost to your mp. You should be able to put out more DPS in any sustained AoE encounter without bankrupting your mp supply.

Throw in a lily procced (3) Assize while Presence of Mind is still up and I believe you'll get a 36 second reduction in recast time for Assize. (Assuming that PoM's recast reduction will stack with the lilies recast reduction). Holy already has built-in damage mitigation in the form of a stun and now Assize gives you the full AoE damage while contributing to your regen on the tank. Not forgetting Aero III dots on top of all of this, the WHM should be a monster in AoE encounters. The question is, how much endgame content in Stormblood will call for heavy/fast AoE damage? This is one of the reasons why I won't make a definitive call on WHM. I have no idea what kind of content or scenarios are planned for endgame in Stormblood.

Here's the thing...without party utility personal damage is just not enough, this is why monk has been sitting on the shelf in almost every premade group. Someone mentioned earlier that we need content that must be healed through and an argument was made that it would be unfair to ast/sch, this just isn't true. There are plenty of situations that need to be healed through, but depending on your playstyle you had a choice. You can either heal through it (reactive), or you could mitigate through it (proactive). We had a choice between whm and sch for this and it's why meta had both in raid content. Enter Astrlogian.....now players can play both styles on 1 job GREAT!!!! The problem is that not only can ast heal through all of the damage that a whm can but they bring a ton of party utility with them. This is why whm has become what it is, The personal damage done in the windows that a healer can dps isn't even close to the gains from the utility ast brings to the table. Unless whm gets some real utility for parties and raids it's going to be left on the shelf, hell evolve it into a geomancer or something and give it some nature utility buffs to keep it in lore I don't care what, but something need to be done to keep it viable.

**Bourne_Endeavor** · 06-01-2017 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Tsubaki75

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Exactly.

Let's paint a scenario where neither healer uses a single damage only ability. Would you rather White Mage or Astro? The answer is fairly obvious, which is the whole issue. Even in an idealized healing situation, Astro and Scholar are simply better at literally everything.

**Reiryuu** · 06-01-2017 10:27 AM

I'm just going to add this Mr. Happy video in here. His thoughts while playing in a dungeon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-R45pkv-Bo

**Gemina** · 06-01-2017 10:39 AM

From what I can tell, the intention of the lily gauge is not to deliberately toss unneeded heals trying to fill it up. Why would anyone do this? The question I am asking is how hard are these Stormblood mobs going to hit? The reason why I ask this, is because the more damage the group takes, the more powerful the WHM becomes. That is what this lily gauge does. You potentially get stronger and faster until you have to use an ability like Assize, or Asylum. And if things really get hairy, you get to cast a buffed up stoneskin, instantly, in mid-battle. It could make the difference between a wipe and success.

The abilities WHM is losing to the cross skill slots (most of which the other two healers crossed already) may not be as bad it seems. Has anyone considered that WHM may no longer need them? If you actually need to cure to get your procs and stacks, why bring Divine Seal? Hell, why even bring Protect? Leaving room for something like Surecast. I for one saw the change to Surecast, and this skill went from totally useless, to something I TOTALLY want now. Might want to think about keeping Cleric too, especially with our new ability reduce MP cost to 0 for what is it? 10 seconds. How many free Holy's is that? It can also be used for a free raise. Will WHM even need Saints except situationally now?

I actually can't help but get a little excited the more I think about things. We need to play it, and perhaps adjustments will be made based on player feedback. Don't give up yet WHMs!

**Lyrica_Ashtine** · 06-01-2017 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Acidblood

Still clinging to that one are we...

If this is a response as a result from the healer concept topic, please re-read it. You seem to have the wrong impression of where I am standing concerning White Mage in the current iteration of Final Fantasy XIV.

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