SMN changes

[Len]

Positive
- Tri-disaster's recast timer is reset upon entering Dreadwyrm Trance.
- Demi-Bahamut's Ahk Morn is 680 potency (with damage falloff on multiple targets) and is also on a 13 recast timer.
- Dot consolidation: can you imagine having 5 buttons dedicated to just dot application? Nightmare.
- Enkindle's recast timer can be reduced by 10 seconds on a proc.

Negative
- Look, I get that there's potency nerfs for other jobs, too, but we already had mostly low potency spells! What the hell.
- Loss of both Contagion and Sustain.
- Shadowflare (now an instant cast) is on a 60 second recast timer.
- Bane damage falloff increased: potency reduced by 20% for the second enemy, 40% for the third, 60% for the fourth, and 80% for the fifth and beyond.
- Our major Stormblood addition (Summon Demi-Bahamut) is locked behind both Dreadwyrm Trance and by extension Aetherflow, which is on a 60 second cooldown.

[Silverquick]

Negative
- Look, I get that there's potency nerfs for other jobs, too, but we already had mostly low potency spells! What the hell.
- Loss of both Contagion and Sustain.
- Shadowflare (now an instant cast) is on a 60 second recast timer.
- Bane damage falloff increased: potency reduced by 20% for the second enemy, 40% for the third, 60% for the fourth, and 80% for the fifth and beyond.
- Our major Stormblood addition (Summon Demi-Bahamut) is locked behind both Dreadwyrm Trance and by extension Aetherflow, which is on a 60 second cooldown.

Our AoE damage was really what this job had going for it... but that's all gone now. Only the original Deathflare remains and Painflare which are both stuck behind recast and Aetherflow stacks remain unchanged. So... we just lost the majority of our AoE damage with the BANE nerf that was about 800+ potency in DoT that tick for 110 potency per tick.

Yeah our Single Target damage already was only on the middle end comparatively... and that got nerfed too... seriously nerfed... 25% nerf on Ruin 3, and a 33% nerf on Fester... not to mention another 33% nerf (or More) on our DoTs.

So like I said... unless they gave us something pretty uber at high levels... this job is... well I won't say it yet.

At this point we'll have to wait and see how it plays out in comparison to other jobs... but I'm not holding out much hope at this point, once they removed our class Identity of AoEs it was the wrong thing to mess with.

[Nerisu]

Painflare which are both stuck behind recast

Speaking of recast, Painflare's is going to be (tentatively) reduced from 10s to 5s. Same thing for Fester.

And now we know how BLMs and WHMs felt when their Flare and Holy got nerfed.

[Silverquick]

And now we know how BLMs and WHMs felt when their Flare and Holy got nerfed.

Yeah but theirs only went down -10% per target down to -50% max... ours is -20% down to -80% max.

That's not even comparable its worse...

[Neela]

Speaking of recast, Painflare's is going to be (tentatively) reduced from 10s to 5s. Same thing for Fester.

And now we know how BLMs and WHMs felt when their Flare and Holy got nerfed.

Oh there you go casttimes

If you can push them twice in the same time we are used to atm, the pot-reduce of other spells get less dramatic + you ll be way
faster in trance and adv. trance. k depending on the dbl trance to unlock Bahamut and Akh Morn they have to decrease pre-trance somehow.

Thx for giving the ct hint now im a bit less sceptical

Edit: blm/whm aoe nerfs -> at least both of them have strong singletarget skills : /

[Len]

So I decided to take another look at some of the changes after the initial wave of disappointment wore off.

Fester: 200 potency max. WHAT. IS. THE. POINT. Painflare is 200 potency and it doesn't require dots to be applied. Even energy drain is 150 potency and at least will refund some MP. This is comical.

And now we know how BLMs and WHMs felt when their Flare and Holy got nerfed.

Now that the pendulum has once again swung in their favor, where is Summoner's single target to make up for the loss?

[Silverquick]

Yeah, but looking "neat" won't get us through that hard instance... For that you need a viable character... and unless there's something hidden that we don't know about...

The FFXIV SMN will become the old FFXI SMN... ie... looks cool while getting its ass kicked.

And I doubt anyone but the most superficial people will play the job at that point... and then only until their friends say... "psst... look dude we like you, but..... if you want to come along, you know.... play something else, because you really just can't pull your weight as a SMN".

And that will end that real quick.

So I decided to take another look at some of the changes after the initial wave of disappointment wore off.

Fester: 200 potency max. WHAT. IS. THE. POINT. Painflare is 200 potency and it doesn't require dots to be applied. Even energy drain is 150 potency and at least will refund some MP. This is comical.

Now that the pendulum has once again swung in their favor, where is Summoner's single target to make up for the loss?

I agree, it seems totally willy nilly, and completely without thought.

I am glad Painflare did not get nerfed too, so there is that... but its one of the few things that didn't.

But yeah you may as well remove the pre-reqs for the DoTs at this point for Fester if its only 200 potency...

If what that description ACTUALLY meant to say was 200 each for 400, then its a different story... but the way it reads... well... its 200 potency.

Yeah it doesn't make any sense.

[Yorumi]

But yeah you may as well remove the pre-reqs for the DoTs at this point for Fester if its only 200 potency...

If what that description ACTUALLY meant to say was 200 each for 400, then its a different story... but the way it reads... well... its 200 potency.

Yeah it doesn't make any sense.

Assuming fester is 200 potency it's possible we could be encouraged to use ruin III more. Energy drain gives us mp which could fuel more ruin III while fishing for ruin IV procs. Granted that sounds boring as all hell. It is starting to sound like all smn does all day is spam ruin.

[Kuponutz]

The FFXIV SMN will become the old FFXI SMN... ie... looks cool while getting its ass kicked.

At least in FFXI you could make yourself useful as a healer and buffer, we can't even do that.

[ShariusTC]

So I decided to take another look at some of the changes after the initial wave of disappointment wore off.

Fester: 200 potency max. WHAT. IS. THE. POINT. Painflare is 200 potency and it doesn't require dots to be applied. Even energy drain is 150 potency and at least will refund some MP. This is comical.



Now that the pendulum has once again swung in their favor, where is Summoner's single target to make up for the loss?

well, we got ...um...ruin 4 which is same potency with ruin 3 now and only 15% to proc, also a side note that they nerf ruin 3 now /s