Problem with "Optional" Items in the Cash Shop

[HyoMinPark]

I don't feel like quoting everyone that I want to respond to, so just here's what I have to say.

I think the OP fails to realize the vanity a lot of people have when it comes to this game. And to glamour items in this game. With regards to the cosmetic items, I find a lot of enjoyment out of glamour, and so do a bunch of other players. I would absolutely hate it if I had to keep the appearance of whatever relevant end-game gear was available during a said patch. Especially since some of the gear is extremely unappealing for me. And I think a lot of others would, too. People live for glamour, and I don't just mean in FFXIV. I mean in life. People want glamour, they want luxurious things. Perhaps they're just vain, but vanity is part of human nature. And it seeps into this game and peoples' game personas.

With regards to dyes, they are available in-game, and, on a lot of servers, for a very hefty Market Board price--Pure White and Jet Black dye usually sell for 500,000+ on my server for just one pot. With regards to the Bomb Dance someone mentioned, that was available in-game for one of the Moonfire Faire events.

I don't see how "glamour items, mounts, and dyes" in the Cash Shop made someone jump to SE adding primal fights, trials, and entire storylines to the Cash Shop. What even...? Stop using slippery slope arguments, please. The developers have never given any indication that they would add actual playable content to the Mogstation. None of this makes your argument appealing. If anything, it just discredits it because of the extreme jump from cosmetic items to playable game content.
PS - The ARR Hildibrand trials dropped minions.

Also, people continue to make these threads because they just like to complain, usually. If it isn't about the Mogstation, it's about something else (Cleric Stance, Healer DPS, PvP chat restrictions, Wanderer's Minuet, tanks not dropping tank stance for more deeps...you name it, and someone is probably complaining about it). And so many similar threads pop up because people can't be bothered to just keep complaints to a single thread; they feel the need to make an entirely new thread voicing an opinion that already has 10 other threads associated with it. The fact of the matter is: there are those out there who will simply complain just for the sake of complaining.

Can't satisfy everyone.

[Naunet]

I think the OP fails to realize the vanity a lot of people have when it comes to this game. And to glamour items in this game.

This is WHY people are complaining about the Mogstation, because most of us do enjoy glamour as a huge motivation for play. We also see items in the Mogstation as decreasing the value of our sub (the more they add, the less your subscription purchases), and see the prices on the Mogstation as far too high for what you get (especially when compared to other MMOs).

[SendohJin]

They're completely optional. They don't impact the game/make it pay to win.

Did people grind the Odin Trial for a mount like they do almost every trial? Nope, so it does impact the game.

[Belhi]

Did people grind the Odin Trial for a mount like they do almost every trial? Nope, so it does impact the game.

They grinded it for gear for a while.

But your right. Mog station items do effect the game. They helped pay for the EU datacentre.

[Roda]

"optional" is different for everyone.
Not everyone raids not everyone needs gear or stats.
Some people play the game to design and play with their final fantasy character for this final fantasy world.

And it's kind of weird, having SE straight up admit to those players
that their entire game
is optional
and not needed.

[Mindiori]

Fact is that nothing on the mogstation is necessary. Its not required for the game and it would be essentially impossible to argue that on the premise of them being 'optional'.

If you can't afford something - then go without. The economies of the west are already in a shambles because of participation prize imbeciles who can't handle envy, greed, self-gratuity and a whole host of other poor baseline qualities.

You earn luxuries because they are precisely that. A luxury. The sub supports the games general development and server upkeep. Not to hand everything out for free. If you compared this game, to say something like Elder Scrolls Online or Perfect World; you'd realize just what a cash shop farm really is.

[Lathander81]

This is a fair but you are missing one key point. People play a sub game because I dont have to worry about thing being taken out to sell to me. Now look at this...eastern inspired items right before the expansion??? Why are these not in the expansion that people are paying for on top of a sub?? Could at least been in a collectors edition??? Also a $7 emote thats already in the game if you are a certain race??! The bombdance as 2 dollars and that was a full dance. They are walking down the path p2p with free to play features. Its not right for people who pay a sub, people who have addition retainers because they for some reason cant add space in the game, or for people who buy the expansions to have to pay for $18 for a two piece outfit!

[Musashidon]

what if they charged you to play the game?!

we already bought the game why would they make us pay to be able to even play it?!

[Yallaid]

what if they charged you to play the game?!

we already bought the game why would they make us pay to be able to even play it?!

The greater and much more interesting question is: "why would they let us pay to not have to even play it?!" because that's what cash shops are all about

[Aramina]

The greater and much more interesting question is: "why would they let us pay to not have to even play it?!" because that's what cash shops are all about

How do cosmetic items in the shop make people play less? That doesn't even make sense.

adding to post because I hit cap...

What? it's simple -- imagine if the birds and ponies were only available in Mogstation. Bam! no one does old extreme primals outside of Wondrous Tails, which didn't even exist until several months ago.

That's how taking stuff that might serve a purpose in-game and locking it behind a paywall can affect who plays the game and how much time they spend doing it.

But they aren't in the cash shop. If we are still playing the "what if' game then sure.... but I was replying to the "...because that's what cash shops are all about" when it is clear that is *not* all they are about since that doesn't happen now.