[dev1206] The effects of Protect and Shell have been made mutually exclusive

[Geesus]

What was con before this patch all i did was cast cure and the needed buffs <.<

Then no offense, you were inept as anything more than such. I did buffs, healed, DoTs, Absorb, CC and pretty much anything I could with the spells I was given and those of Thm as well. LOL Maybe that's why to me, losing something else in an arsenal of spells is a bit saddening. I'll admit having the 2 stream lined is quaint and some what efficient, the loss of everything else, makes the job of Con boring and uneventful.

There was nothing like watching a DD or another member go down for w/e ever the reason would be; have another Con or Thm roll in to raise while I replaced that DD with magic rather than blade or fist. And as that DD revived and was back in battle, watching them re-pull aggro as I pounded the shit out of them with buffs and cures. Man, if you weren't gaming then and enjoying an old fashion ass whoppin', you sir/or madame, were missing out.

[NadienKirisame]

Then no offense, you were inept as anything more than such. I did buffs, healed, DoTs, Absorb, CC and pretty much anything I could with the spells I was given and those of Thm as well. LOL Maybe that's why to me, losing something else in an arsenal of spells is a bit saddening. I'll admit having the 2 stream lined is quaint and some what efficient, the loss of everything else, makes the job of Con boring and uneventful.

There was nothing like watching a DD or another member go down for w/e ever the reason would be; have another Con or Thm roll in to raise while I replaced that DD with magic rather than blade or fist. And as that DD revived and was back in battle, watching them re-pull aggro as I pounded the shit out of them with buffs and cures. Man, if you weren't gaming then and enjoying an old fashion ass whoppin', you sir/or madame, were missing out.

I do not think it will be boring or uneventful :P HI GEESUS!!! /wave /wave /wave /joy

Actually looking at it I like the way it is getting set up better... and it feels more in line with my fav job of all FF games... WHM!!

the cat is bemused =-.-=

[Bowen]

Then no offense, you were inept as anything more than such. I did buffs, healed, DoTs, Absorb, CC and pretty much anything I could with the spells I was given and those of Thm as well. LOL Maybe that's why to me, losing something else in an arsenal of spells is a bit saddening. I'll admit having the 2 stream lined is quaint and some what efficient, the loss of everything else, makes the job of Con boring and uneventful.

There was nothing like watching a DD or another member go down for w/e ever the reason would be; have another Con or Thm roll in to raise while I replaced that DD with magic rather than blade or fist. And as that DD revived and was back in battle, watching them re-pull aggro as I pounded the shit out of them with buffs and cures. Man, if you weren't gaming then and enjoying an old fashion ass whoppin', you sir/or madame, were missing out.

Wait, your name is Geesus and you heal people?
(*Snort Snort Giggle*)

[Neptune]

I don't get this, but on the other hand have Protect and Shell ever made a real difference? People can beat Ifrit in Santa suits for Christ's sake. Gear, materia, and enhancement spells are the opiate of the masses. Lol..

[Tetsaru]

I really don't understand this change either...

Or what they did with the elemental spells...

[Rutelor]

I guess you missed the part that shell is no longer a spell... at level 24 CNJ gets a trait the adds shell to protect.

In which case it would make no sense to say that they cancel each other, don't you think? The description of the lv. 24 trait does NOT include the word Shell.

The mention of the facts that a) both status effects won't coexist and b) that one spell will override the other, the description of Protect, and, finally, that of the Enhanced Protect trait at lv. 24 are the only instances in which any of these issues are mentioned in the notes. And they are evidently not enough for us to surmise what's going on...

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[Babydoll]

Good point. How can it override shell if shell does not exist? Can we get a dev response please?

[Bahn]

I would actually argue that the cone shape was better for healing and casting buffs.

Like Firon suggested it would have been nice if they allowed both classes to toggle between the two types or maybe have different stances.

That would add a whole slew of considerations you need to make for balancing spells. By Square dictating whether a spell can be a Cone or Circle-type, they don't have to worry as much about balancing a spell. By allowing the player to actually make a spell do both, although it's better for casters (more flexibility and strategy), it makes balancing the spell tougher because now you have to worry about how effective the spell would be in a cone vs a circle, and we all know that Square has some serious problems properly balancing classes compared to other companies - I don't want to add yet another dimension that Square may screw up on, as much as I would LOVE the better strategy it would give us if we had the option of selecting between the two AoE types.

[Nexxus]

on french patchnote it doesn't say that is overwriting.

Lv.6
Action
Bouclier (Shield)
La défense de la cible et des équipiers alentour augmente. (defense of party's member are enhanced)
Lancement : 3 secondes / Réutilisation : 30 secondes / Durée : 300 secondes (casting: 3s, reuse: 30s, stay: 300s)

Lv.24
Trait
Bouclier amélioré (shield enhanced)
La défense magique est également augmentée avec Bouclier. (magic defense is also boost with protect)

[nibelunc]

I don't understand the confusion. How should a Trait override an Action? Protect is the spell and you'll get a Trait that enhances the effect of Protect with magical defense boost.

I don't get this, but on the other hand have Protect and Shell ever made a real difference? People can beat Ifrit in Santa suits for Christ's sake. Gear, materia, and enhancement spells are the opiate of the masses. Lol..

They do and gear, materia etc. do as well. You are able to kill Ifrit without getting a hit if you are a good player.