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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    There is nothing about overwriting in the patch notes in the other languages, so I guess it was just mistranslated.
    Sadly, no it wasn't mistranslated. It says the exact same thing in Japanese.

    [dev1206] プロテス/シェルの効果が同時にかからなくなり、あとからかけた効果が上書きされるようになります。
    The effects of Protect and Shell will not be effective at the same time... you know the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spellbinder View Post
    Sadly, no it wasn't mistranslated. It says the exact same thing in Japanese.
    The effects of Protect and Shell will not be effective at the same time... you know the rest.
    [dev1206] The effect of "Shell" is added to the magic of "Protect" by a passive trait.
    That's what it says in my language, and seriously, that's the only thing making any sense at all, because otherwise, how would you be using Protect at all after R24? After all, the overwriting is from a passive trait, so Protect would ALWAYS become Shell.
    I think it's just formulated badly, and what actually is meant is that the original Protect effect, which only increased physical def will be overwritten with the new effect which increases both physical and magical def.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    That's what it says in my language, and seriously, that's the only thing making any sense at all, because otherwise, how would you be using Protect at all after R24? After all, the overwriting is from a passive trait, so Protect would ALWAYS become Shell.
    I think it's just formulated badly, and what actually is meant is that the original Protect effect, which only increased physical def will be overwritten with the new effect which increases both physical and magical def.
    That makes the most sense to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    That's what it says in my language, and seriously, that's the only thing making any sense at all, because otherwise, how would you be using Protect at all after R24? After all, the overwriting is from a passive trait, so Protect would ALWAYS become Shell.
    I think it's just formulated badly, and what actually is meant is that the original Protect effect, which only increased physical def will be overwritten with the new effect which increases both physical and magical def.
    That may be what it says in your language, but I'm telling you what it says in Japanese, the original language. Perhaps it's a Japanese typo then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spellbinder View Post
    That may be what it says in your language, but I'm telling you what it says in Japanese, the original language. Perhaps it's a Japanese typo then.
    I know what it says in Japanese, that's why I said it's formulated badly.
    Read the last sentence you quoted again to understand what was presumably meant with "overwriting".

    Otherwise, sure, go on and explain how the original Protect effect of enhancing the physical defense can be gained after rank 24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoli View Post
    I know what it says in Japanese, that's why I said it's formulated badly.
    Read the last sentence you quoted again to understand what was presumably meant with "overwriting".

    Otherwise, sure, go on and explain how the original Protect effect of enhancing the physical defense can be gained after rank 24
    I don't know why you're being so smug with me, but I went back and read over everything again. I personally find the English translation to be misleading.

    1.) The original Japanese of that Dev note does in fact say that Protect and Shell cannot be used at the same time, and that the effect applied afterward overwrites the previous effect. Trying to make the translation more literal would look too weird so I'm leaving it at that.

    2.) Looking at the Japanese description of protect, it simply states that it increases defense.

    3.) What makes me believe there may not be a shell is the level 24 trait. I'll post the English, the Japanese, and then how I would have worded it.

    English Version: Increases magic defense gained from Protect.

    Japanese Version: プロテスで魔法防御力もアップする。

    How I would have worded the English: By using Protect, magical defense is also increased.

    (Edit: As a note, there is a distinction between 防御 [Defense] and 魔法防御 [Magical Defense]. The description for the protect spell makes no mention of magic)


    Bottom line in my opinion, ambiguous translations are ambiguous.
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    Last edited by Spellbinder; 12-13-2011 at 02:37 AM.

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