Thread: Hope raid loot rules are changed for 4.0

Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

Snip......and as far as boss design is in this game its very anti seller because you can only realistically carry a dps class as the other two are vital to many mechanics and require you to be present playing i.e you can't solo heal/solo tank any of the alex floors while they were current and even carrying a dead dps is a stretch for most groups.

Not tying to dig on you, but just because you can't carry when relevant doesn't mean others can't, 9 & 10S were both cleared by full tank parties and no tank parties when relevant and 3 or 4 weeks into the patch 12S was solo healed by an ast, the video was on the forums.

Ik the people that do it are on a different level from most but claiming it wouldn't be an issue and blanketing the community couldn't do the carries is just factually incorrect.

Lockout reduces burn out and rmt bought runs that's why it won't be going anywhere.

Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

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I get your point but if it's anywhere near creator level difficulty we will be seeing carries within a few weeks, especially if there wasn't a loot restriction. I don't do sells but we've carried plenty of friends through just the trade off for them is no loot and only a manifesto.

If you want consistent weekly clears/loot then you have to static regardless of loot restrictions, otherwise run sells will be more prevalent and I don't doubt that pug players will complain the only way they can get thier weekly is by paying.

Like who in thier right mind would pay for a run that's only a manifesto? And what static would willingly give up thier loot during relevant prog time?

Consistent clears do not require a static for any content in the game look at any extreme primal all it requires is finding the right party which takes some trial and error all this change does is frees up the talent pool so to speak. Right now they require a static for the sole purpose of ensuring loots drops. If this change comes raiding will be for everyone who wants to try it or if they are already raid capable but can't due to time issues those fall away as well and they can do them at their own pace. As for people buying runs they already do that anyway numbers will stay the same selling runs is task done by statics already I doubt we will get pug sells.

Originally Posted by HiroKirito

You misunderstand, I'm not saying we will get pug sells. It won't free anyone up, if loot is completely unrestricted like with primal Exs people will just farm week 1 and be done, devs obviously don't want that.


Complete unlock will be farm and then stop doing the content. Personal loot lock but not group will not increase the talent pool as those clearing for thier once a week have no reason to run it again.

to help other people to get practice to optimize to practice speed running just cuz your bored lots of reasons

Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

to help other people to get practice to optimize to practice speed running just cuz your bored lots of reasons

Optimising is imo something you'd do in your static and imo speed runs is quite niche and something only the top server statics compete for. Running with randoms wouldn't help them significantly if at all.

The loot system is not perfect as I said in my edit, but to me it seems like you're blaming your lack of people to run with and talent availability due to schedules etc on the loot system.

This isn't the case and the people who aren't available for pug groups now still won't be available if you changed the loot system to benefit those without thier weekly clear.

As for previously mentioned primal Exs, people do pug slightly more but they are easier and more accessible. Personally I cleared with my static day 1 of zurv, farmed for 3 days then didn't touch it unless a friend needed it, we were never part of the pug talent pool.

Exs are clearable in the allotted time frame. Statics exist for savage because for most of the player base, approaching the fight from new, even with trial and error are not clearable in a single session, those that do are lucky in terms of group competency and also do so when In depth guides and strategies have become widespread which were all developed by people running in statics.

Originally Posted by HiroKirito

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Getting into a circle jerk here you say your group aren't part of the poll and i can point to you 30 something people who are some have statics some don't. This changes improves the pool you can optimize a fight in a pug as far as getting in the gcd you need.
your right about clear times statics don't clear in a single lockout either you keep doing it again and again same thing with pugs with a bit more variance. People who aren't in statics that want to raid simply can't find time to get 7 other people to match their time frames that is the only reason this changes means just like you can go do zruvan anytime you want basically i can go do a10s while its current. Is it as effective as a static, no of course not but its better than nothing

Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

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Ik my group aren't the be all and end all but we also aren't alone, most people don't have the time or energy to run extra runs for people they don't know.

You've done the content, you know what it's like, all I can assume is somethings changed and it means you can't commit to a solid group for SB and that's why you're seeking change. I can appreciate that and understand people want to do the content but it doesn't line up for what ever reason even though they are more than capable as an individual and that's frustrating.

Just personally I don't think loot is the issue or that it would solve the whole talent pool issue, but that's just my opinion ^^

Wait, what's wrong with selling clears? That's a common and pretty successful thing in other MMO's.