Thread: Hope raid loot rules are changed for 4.0

I've responded to a similar topic before, but basically that rule is there to prevent people from gearing alt chars faster than normal. For example if I have a static of 8 people, then we clear 4 floors of the raid on a day, and the next day I bring my alt with my 7 static members and clear the same 4 floors again. If there's no penalty, then I can loot up to 8 gears, 3 upgrade items and one weapon token. Repeat for my 7 static mates' alts (clearing once for each), by the next week our alt group is 8 times as geared as our main group. This would have a very big impact on the early clear race (world first and server first).

Personally I'm not a fan of the loot rules either, but there is a good reason why they're there.

Originally Posted by aleph_null

I've responded to a similar topic before, but basically that rule is there to prevent people from gearing alt chars faster than normal. For example if I have a static of 8 people, then we clear 4 floors of the raid on a day, and the next day I bring my alt with my 7 static members and clear the same 4 floors again. If there's no penalty, then I can loot up to 8 gears, 3 upgrade items and one weapon token. Repeat for my 7 static mates' alts (clearing once for each), by the next week our alt

From a design standpoint no one cares about world and server first its a moot point. the loot system is in place not to prevent gearing your main class quickly which I've already suggested the solution to that problem. no one needs to worry about the very very very small amount of people who will level alts to get more raid loot that won't help with world first progression anyway as they are alts so its not like you can share the gear across the account

Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

From a design standpoint no one cares about world and server first its a moot point. the loot system is in place not to prevent gearing your main class quickly which I've already suggested the solution to that problem. no one needs to worry about the very very very small amount of people who will level alts to get more raid loot that won't help with world first progression anyway as they are alts so its not like you can share the gear across the account

Well I'm not the dev so I won't say I know how much they care about it. It does help in the progression race since usually you race under the name of a static/fc, so your alts would count. Tbh it's a moot point if the raid difficulty is as low as creator savage though, but if the race lasts for 3 weeks of longer it'll be a decent amount of advantage (3 people with upgraded tomestone weapons vs 8 people if they abuse the system like I explained).

It's a horribly designed system, but it won't change as that would reduce the number of maintained subs. Money comes first, Squeenix is a business after all.

then you dont understand the system i suggested. if you clear it once weather you loot or not you are locked from getting anything for the week but the page

Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

then you dont understand the system i suggested. if you clear it once weather you loot or not you are locked from getting anything for the week but the page

Unless you make the loot restriction account wide you can still abuse it for gearing an alt group.

Originally Posted by aleph_null

Unless you make the loot restriction account wide you can still abuse it for gearing an alt group.

Which no one cares about you still have to make the massive time investment of having a geared alt to do the content in the first place and all you end up with is an alt that has maybe 1 piece of gear rng dependent so outside of doing the fight more you gain nothing progression wise.

@hiro I'm aware people can do never said it wasn't possible is it common no, and not everyone can do it very few people do those kinds of thing again not in great enough numbers to make run sales skyrocket and besides no one will be doing that for 4.0 for a while we all have to relearn our classes.

Well I'm quite sure the people involved in those server/world first races care. The upgrade items aren't rng, as I've said if the race lasts 3 weeks or longer that means you could have guaranteed 8 upgraded tomestone weapons, compared to 3 at most if you're only gearing one group. It'll make it compulsory for people to have alt groups in order to be competitive for the race.

Again, I'm not assuming I know what the devs think about this, I'm just saying that there's a way to exploit the loot system if those rules aren't there. I don't even know if the case I described was considered by the devs at all.