We're all DDs now >.>

[TaranTatsuuchi]

There's no way anyone can take you seriously when you say you don't use Regen: it's your most efficient healing spell on GCD, roughly equivalent to fairy healing. Then you go ahead and say Asylum is important to cast, when it's exactly the same thing except AoE, which is worse for hate that you're so worried about. That's why people assume you're new, because your arguments don't make any sense for someone who's played the game for a long time.

Regen is 1050 potency for 618 mp, ~1,7 pot/mp efficiency. 1 GCD.
Cure+Cure II is 1050 potency for 1193.4 mp when including the freecure proc. ~0,9 pot/mp efficiency. 2 GCDs.
Not only is Regen more MP efficient, it's more GCD efficient. It's also more powerful overall because you can have a Regen ticking while also casting Cure, resulting in higher Healing Per Second at any point during its run time.

Then there's the thing about hate, all healing produced enmity is halved. You say you don't use Regen but you use Asylum, which is basically AoE Regen, worth 800 potency for every single person in it for full duration, that's 3200 potency for 4 people (3 times as much as Regen) or 6400 potency on 8 people (6 times as much as Regen). Your arguments for Asylum and Regen make no sense from hate perspective. And even if they did, compared to a DPS bursting 6k DPS straight out of the gate it doesn't even REGISTER on the radar!

Let's recap,
Your "advice" doesn't make sense:
-for MP efficiency
-for time efficiency
-for hate management

That makes people question everything you say because there's not much more you can get wrong about healing. And that's before we even touch the DPS aspects of the argument. Please learn more about the game before you continue giving bad gameplay advice.

I was going to mention regen being the most efficient heal...

But you beat me to it with "Math!" added in for good measure.

[Aramina]

I plan to keep this one going because I want to make sure the OP has the full picture (am I being too nice wanting to keep helping?) so that going forward they're armed with a bigger ammo clip of information.

Not a problem. I was originally interested in helping too, but many people have pointed out many things many times and it is just not working. I can only speak for myself, but any time I have been corrected by info that is easily verifiable in the game itself, I have admitted I was wrong, not doubled down on my false claims. Maybe after i finish my coffee I will feel like getting back into things.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

My SCH will never be a DD. I'd say she's maybe a C.

[Rasylia]

My SCH will never be a DD. I'd say she's maybe a C.

DD's are overrated anyways.

[Miste]

I don't care how much time people have sunk into the game, not one bit. That is not an appeal to experience, that is an appeal to narcissism ("wow I have x ilevel gear that I spent months grinding for".) Experience actually means metaphorically "I have learned X on my own, and can do it blindfolded, hands tied behind my back", that has nothing to do with gear.

Gear does matter because you can't actually queue for any relevant content with i180 gear. Which means you have zero experience in higher dungeons like Expert Roulette. Your gear does tell me roughly how much experience you have with specific content since you don't even qualify to enter most of the level 60 content unless you are hiding behind an alt.

If you cannot enter A12N then how can you have "experience" in A12N? That has plenty to do with gear since gear is what qualifies you to advance into higher duties.

Just an FYI experience isn't only how long you've played this game or how long you've played a specific job or role...experience is also applied to specific content and whether or not you have personally healed specific dungeons/raids or not with varying item levels...without the gear you cannot experience the higher dungeons and content. So no, gear is not just narcissism...you need it to progress and get more experience.

So yes, in the end you are talking about stuff you just don't have full experience with.

Like others have said your inexperience shows with the claims you make about healing, downtime, regens, and enmity that are very incorrect which many healers and tanks have corrected you. You might want to just accept the fact that there are people more knowledgeable than you and accept their assistance/advice...it might help you out in the long run.

[Ama_Hamada]

Because people on the forum are carrying on the same conversation in no less than three different threads on the general forum alone, and you are limited to how many times you can post per day, thus mostposts end up being large walls of text to avoid "too many quotes" "too many links" "too many (whatever)" complaints the forum software insists on.

Some posts would even hit the post size limit, no not the "1000char" one, but the actual edit limit. The last post, THIS thread grew by 6 pages by the time I just threw up my arms and hit post.




The entire argument that healers must DPS, over the last 8 years comes from this myth that healers stand around and do nothing, and then trolls step in trying to prove that by posting screenshots out of context, or fabricating a situation just to try and prove heal-only healers are lazy, when all they've proven is they intentionally play that role poorly.

This idea seems to originate in people who come from other games where the healer role is literately rubbish, and the healing goes either under-used or people would rather just create all-DPS parties and spam pots for healing because there's no penalty to it. So they are suddenly annoyed that they can't play poorly and still finish content. I've played other games, either during beta or initial release and find the same thing happens over and over. You either play DPS, or you don't get to play any party content.

Does that sound familiar yet?



Because JRPG's are all gear-grinds. So people want to min-max how much damage they do, forget playing the game well, so any tool that doesn't contribute to DPS is abandoned.

More casual players hate elitist "farmer" type players because they suck the fun and ability to learn out of the game. Either you play it their way, or you get kicked from parties.

The fact that the DF exists is a boon to "casual" type players because that means they don't have to deal with only "(SAVAGE CONTENT) iLEVEL XXX ONLY" type parties drowning out all other parties. I actually re-arranged the chat screen so that all spammable chat was put in another chat screen.

Good job at ignoring all my points, ill just leave this:
https://youtu.be/jBgMe5uHPsE?t=562
It is not a damn myth. You do realize I am a heal yes? and on my alt account is just SMN and SCH who played SCH a lot more then SMN because queue times.

The only time you need to be healer full time (and yes I was mostly healing some bad parties during trials yesterday for my relic but still had room to dps) is with REALLY bad players, DPS that can't DPS, tanks that do not know what a migration CD is while standing in fire.

This is my alt account ama with my friend. I heal, I know people that heal, it is not a myth. Even with bad parties that need more healing then necessary attention, I still help with DPS time to time. Btw even as an alt, I have more proof on my own that I do more content then you, let alone my main, 2 close friends, or some posters here like miste. I really do not understand your point or what you are trying to debate. Why are you trying to say healers having large downtime is a myth? makes no sense.

Also I think "healers only heal" come from other games, not healer should help with dps because nothing to do.

Gear does matter because you can't actually queue for any relevant content with i180 gear. Which means you have zero experience in higher dungeons like Expert Roulette. Your gear does tell me roughly how much experience you have with specific content since you don't even qualify to enter most of the level 60 content unless you are hiding behind an alt.

I have TWO accounts, my alt, ama, outgears you and seen way more content then you on both jobs (SMN and SCH) [Sorry miste using your quote for KisaiTenshi, not you , don't hurt me, ya did more then me ;p]

[joannaluttrell]

I don't care how much time people have sunk into the game, not one bit. That is not an appeal to experience, that is an appeal to narcissism ("wow I have x ilevel gear that I spent months grinding for".) Experience actually means metaphorically "I have learned X on my own, and can do it blindfolded, hands tied behind my back", that has nothing to do with gear.

To be experienced with something you actually have to have participated in it. You have absolutely zero context on what you speak. None. It's like a Little League player telling a MLB player how to play. Your complete misunderstanding of the situation is embarrassingly obvious to anyone that actually has experience and the saddest part is you seem to be completely oblivious to this fact.

[Miste]

not you , don't hurt me, ya did more then me ;p]

I'll just go back to my shame closet! Ama so much cooler than meh! Leet characters everywhere and everything!

/sniffle



xD

[Faliandra]

did lvling roulette earlier, ended up in gubal library normal.

had to kick the tank after the first boss, cos the tank was the ultimate derp and talking to him didnt help.

we finished the dungeon as 2 dps and 1heal because we didnt get a replacement tank at all. I was a scholar and i still dished out quite decent dps, despite having
to juggle between healing 2 dps and myself and dpsing.

Luckily I was with a mnk and a nin. Mnk used fists of earth and tanked, nin used shadewalker on him and smokescreen on me whenever possible...it was fun and quite beautiful to see how we all worked together <3


bottom line: didnt have a tank, still could dps.

[Sylvain]

Why is this a relevant talk 17 days before SB...