We're all DDs now >.>

[Crysten]

Beating a dead horse using a dead horse at this point. The extremes from both sides are honestly hilarious.

The simple point to get out of this is follow your mage ABC - always be casting.

Is your tank sitting at 100% HP and is in absolutely no danger of dying? You can do one of three things:

a) Throw out some DPS spells to speed up the kills, which is the ideal scenario.
b) Continue to overheal, which may be done by not very confident healers but is not even required.
c) Sit on your ass, spam dance emotes or jump constantly, which is what grinds everyone's gears.

Option C is the equivalent of "I'm bored and literally have nothing else to do with myself" while everyone else (including the tank!) is actively DPSing. You have no MP to DPS? That's what Shroud of Saints, Aetherflow, Assize and Luminiferous Aether are for. The amount of non-DPSing healers that don't even use these until they're bone dry on MP is a different kettle of fish entirely.

Options A and to a lesser extent B (only in certain instances, such as Extremes/raids) would ever be acceptable courses of action.

If you're an Option C healer, then I have absolutely no problem with ruining your day by standing in non-lethal AOEs and full-timing DPS tank stances.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I think you are misrepresenting "Harrassed for not doing enough DPS".

Easy fix! Nerf healer damage potential and increase the amount of damage tanks suffer. That'll fix something! Not entirely sure what but something!

[KisaiTenshi]

Whaaa? I played WHM in 1.0 and 2.0 before SCH came out and the only time tanks would be pissed if I used Regen would be when I'd stupidly cast the spell before they pulled the mobs. I learned very quickly to let the tank gather up the mobs first, establish hate, and then I can cast Regen as much as my little heart wants/needs to. That's just common healing sense! And if by some chance you do accidentally put a Regen on the tank and grab hate, you bring the mobs you pulled back to the tank, and pop Shroud of Saints.

And yet, look at what thread we're in. Bad advice stays bad advice and isn't stricken from experience once something changes. My experience has been don't cast regen unless the tank asks for it or the debuffs are stacking and can't be Esuna'd away. I've neither hand complaints or suggestions about regen use except for the occasional tank that has mistaken me for a newbie. But as I said, experience shows what Regen is for. It's not something you must cast constantly like some would have you believe. There is a reason that Cure -> Cure II -> Cure III combo exists, and people don't use it. I rarely find opportunity to use Cure III in 4-man content because it requires the DPS and tank to stand in the same spot. With level 52+ content, Asylum acts as a way to both have a "regen" effect on party members and gets the party closer together so that Medica/Medica II/Cure III can be used. I've yet to see someone complain about Asylum, so Asylum is the first thing casted after stoneskin drops as long as the tank keeps the boss mob in one place.

You might write me off as, "BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOOOOLAR" but I've seen crazy freaking White Mages who Stoneskin the tank, wait for him to gather up the mobs, and Swiftcast+Holy and maybe another couple of casts of Holy before they start throwing out heals. I've seen some White Mages have CRAZY DPS that way and they manage their MP via cooldowns like Shroud of Saints. I haven't leveled my WHM past 50 since I picked up SCH but this is what I've personally seen. And actually that is also what I used to do when I was level 50 in 2.0 as well. I also carry around a stack of Hi-Elixirs that no, I didn't craft myself. Actually, I don't even know where they came from and I have like 60-70 more on one of my retainers! I'm assuming I must have accumulated them just from playing the game. I pop them when I get in sticky situations. I can't be the only one with such a huge stash of these from just playing the game.

Nah, I appreciate Scholar and wish that more people would would realize that DPS on WHM and DPS on Scholar are completely different. A WHM "always be casting" will be Cure-Cure II- Cure III, and no opportunity to waste 5 seconds switching in and out of CS. DPS on Scholar, the fairy is not affected by Cleric Stance. So the Scholar always has this 75%-as-capable-as-the-player healer companion that allows them to spend more time in Cleric Stance and things like Lustrate ignore Cleric Stance. The Fairy casting Whispering Dawn is a weaker version of casting regen on everyone, but the regen effect is twice that of Medica II.

So presumably the Fairy doesn't generate enmity fast enough to become a meal for the mob if the tank is already doing their job, and DoT's don't generate damage fast enough to create enmity for the Scholar so they have far more opportunity to focus on healing or damage.

HAHAHA! No, the Fairy is freaking dumb and I micromanage her. I place her in optimal positions on the battle field and put out her buffs, in particular Eos' Regen buff, to make sure I can hit everyone or more importantly make sure the tank gets that Regen if no one else. Even with micromanaging the dumb Fairy, I still make sure I can throw out some sort of DPS spells.

All NPC AI in the game is dumb, but the Fairy at least isn't so dumb to cast heals on fully healed characters. It plays by the same enmity rules as a WHM does, which means that if it's casting regen before anyone takes damage, it's going to get it's face eaten. In lower level content you see this because EOS can, and sometimes does spam whispering dawn, and because the content is so low level, the tank will have a hard time keeping enmity if they're not over-geared.

I know some healers lack skill and/or confidence, but even the lower skilled healers should have time to toss out a few damage spells here and there and if you are putting effort in no one cares how much damage you do since at least you are trying. Put 3 DoTs on something then when back to healing because you are a little worried about someone dying? No problem! At least you are trying to help.

Honestly unless your character is an alt....being only i180 WHM means you just don't have the experience to fully understand ...

Stop right there. You're assuming that I'm somehow new to the game when I've stated several times I've played the game since V1.0 beta. You can look at the very first thing in the 6th Astral era log to verify that, and the beginning of the Achievement log for V2.0. The equipped gear doesn't tell you anything about how long, or how much a player has played the game. The only thing that tells you how experienced a player is by playing with them. People can be carried to hit hard achievement log items too, and someone who has played everything at least once has about 16 pages of achievements. That tells you nothing of how they got them.

I don't care how much time people have sunk into the game, not one bit. That is not an appeal to experience, that is an appeal to narcissism ("wow I have x ilevel gear that I spent months grinding for".) Experience actually means metaphorically "I have learned X on my own, and can do it blindfolded, hands tied behind my back", that has nothing to do with gear.

[SlogDog]

I hope the chemo ward has good WiFi

[Paladinleeds]

So the Scholar always has this 75%-as-capable-as-the-player healer companion that allows them to spend more time in Cleric Stance and things like Lustrate ignore Cleric Stance.

This I would like to offer some clarification on how Lustrate works. While Lustrate did used to heal a fixed percentage of health (like WHM's Benediction, allowing it to not be affected by Cleric Stance), the spell has now changed to fixed potency (650 if I'm not mistaken). As a result, it is now affected by your Mind stat and thus is affected by Cleric Stance. I'm almost certain in my experiences of accidentally Lustrating someone in Cleric Stance (which can I add is extremely infuriating for me when I do it), that it is affected by said stance (as pointed out by someone else, my hunch was correct). Now that is not to downplay your point about the fairy (which as I said, at least during the time when Xelphatol/Gubal HM was the Expert, I spent the entire boss fights in Cleric Stance, the fairy could do all the healing, even with tanks swapping into DPS stance), just a correction here to make sure you have the full spectrum of information.

[Taika]

And yet, look at what thread we're in. Bad advice stays bad advice and isn't stricken from experience once something changes. My experience has been don't cast regen unless the tank asks for it or the debuffs are stacking and can't be Esuna'd away.

Your personal experience vs. the experience of a dozen of healers (and tanks!) who are more experienced than you in the game in its current form (since you haven't obviously played nearly any content in the past couple of years of Heavensward). If you were thinking logically, you might consider that maybe those people might have a point.

[aleph_null]

Easy fix! Nerf healer damage potential and increase the amount of damage tanks suffer. That'll fix something! Not entirely sure what but something!

That would just raise the skill floor required to stance dance for tanks and healers. If you raise it so much that even the top raiders have to play defensively as tanks/healers, the contents will be impossible to clear for average players/raiders. It's impossible to make healers never have time to dps. If you have no time to dps at i270, then you won't clear the content at i250. If you can clear it at i250 then at i270 you'll inevitably have some downtime.

[Kitfox]

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There's no way anyone can take you seriously when you say you don't use Regen: it's your most efficient healing spell on GCD, roughly equivalent to fairy healing. Then you go ahead and say Asylum is important to cast, when it's exactly the same thing except AoE, which is worse for hate that you're so worried about. That's why people assume you're new, because your arguments don't make any sense for someone who's played the game for a long time.

Regen is 1050 potency for 618 mp, ~1,7 pot/mp efficiency. 1 GCD.
Cure+Cure II is 1050 potency for 1193.4 mp when including the freecure proc. ~0,9 pot/mp efficiency. 2 GCDs.
If you insist only using Cure II when it procs, then you're looking at 437.5 pot for 375.7 mp, which is ~1.16 pot/mp efficiency.
Not only is Regen more MP efficient, it's more GCD efficient. It's also more powerful overall because you can have a Regen ticking while also casting Cure, resulting in higher Healing Per Second at any point during its run time.

Then there's the thing about hate, all healing produced enmity is halved. You say you don't use Regen but you use Asylum, which is basically AoE Regen, worth 800 potency for every single person in it for full duration, that's 3200 potency for 4 people (3 times as much as Regen) or 6400 potency on 8 people (6 times as much as Regen). Your arguments for Asylum and Regen make no sense from hate perspective. And even if they did, compared to a DPS bursting 6k DPS straight out of the gate it doesn't even REGISTER on the radar!

Let's recap,
Your "advice" doesn't make sense:
-for MP efficiency
-for time efficiency
-for hate management

That makes people question everything you say because there's not much more you can get wrong about healing. And that's before we even touch the DPS aspects of the argument. Please learn more about the game before you continue giving bad gameplay advice.

[Paladinleeds]

Not worth it.

To be fair, I saw the original post pre-edit (edit: now pre-delete). I hadn't even picked up on the Whispering Dawn vs Medica II thing. So props to you for pointing that one out. I also appreciate the clarification that my experiences with Lustrate were right in pointing to that it is affected by Cleric Stance (that was my original thought, which I go into more detail about in my previous post), since on that while I was pretty sure it was affected by Cleric Stance I was hoping for an extra point of view to either confirm or deny what I was saying. I plan to keep this one going because I want to make sure the OP has the full picture (am I being too nice wanting to keep helping?) so that going forward they're armed with a bigger ammo clip of information.

[Rikku1987]

Doing DPS is also part of healers job. Doesnt matter if its much or not so much, but if there's nothing to heal - what to do? Nothing? Personally i dont care about random healers doing no DPS, but i expect everyone to stay active... DPS/tank roles dont just stop because they like to chill some.