Gathering in SB worry, HP/ def/ GP scaling. Deep vigor reexamining?

[Hamada]

You can't sit there and tell me what happened to me. I was gathering Lumythrite Ore node and Old-growth Camphorwood Log node. Aoe broke my stealth, from those monsters. Has nothing to do with adamantite nodes. You can't sit here and "why do you start an argument in every thread you make?" when you guys are doing that to me. I said I was stealth, then on a node, the aoe broke my stealth, the game does not let you put stealth back up while on the node. If I clicked out of the node, the node vanishes. After I was hit with AoE that broke my stealth, it reset, then it went to aggro me. Telling me this did not happen to me is YOU AUGURING WITH ME, not the other way around. Just another example why I am told in game " I do not post on the forums because of high toxicity"

They are useless abilities, I thought that would be the accepted, but apparently that is "start an argument in every thread you make?"

As for last ditch, I stopped trying to use that, I have no idea what it does or what it is supposed to do, I gave up on that. I thought it was just me, if that is useless too well..

Of course prices are gonna be lower, this late into the expansion. The stuff that's crafted with those mats aren't as worthwhile anymore, now that nearly all of the lockouts have been removed.

They been that low for a long time, and even the new 3.4 nodes a week after release. They stop being worth it to gather a week after, the artificial time spacing does not do much. If 2 people on a forum are fine with a broken economy fine i guess, it is not going to change my view though.

I am only trying to help the game, point out flaws, and yet people chose to attack me, gg i guess. The whole gathering system never made sense to me as it does not meet the goals it supposedly have for itself, timed nodes became useless to gather from too quickly, has all these abilities that make no sense, and the slow regenerating GP, when put next to crafting, gathering as a full picture is downright broken.

When you craft something at level to 5 levels above you, you do not have a 20-40% miss rate no matter how well you gear/meld, you can complete it fine with still a decent chance of HQing.

As for "If you don't like to use them no one is forcing you to use them, but other people do use them." Look at the battle system and all the abilities they are taking out that are rarely used, gathering and crafting should be reexamined too. I do not know why they have such a strong focus on battle and neglect crafting and gathering so much. On that note why does it seem people care about battling so much and care little if something is balanced as far as gathering and crafting?

[Ultimatecalibur]

They are useless abilities, I thought that would be the accepted, but apparently that is "start an argument in every thread you make?"

You considering something useless does not mean others consider things useless.

Deep Vigor is great on any node that can be hit 6 times (the nodes in HW that do not have an inherent bonus have a random chance of getting one of the following bonuses +30% HQ, +25% gather chance, +2 Gather Chances, +1 Yield per gather)

On a +2 Gather Chance node with 550 GP you can do 2 things:

Sharp Vision -> Unearth II -> Strike x5 (45% HQ chance) -> Deep Vigor -> Bountiful Yield -> Strike (100% HQ x2) for a 2 to 7 HQ yield. 4.25 yield on average

Sharp Vision -> Strike x5 (15% HQ chance) -> Deep Vigor -> Bountiful Yield -> Solid Reason -> Strike (100% HQ x2) -> Strike (100% HQ) 3 to 7 HQ. 3.25 yield on average.

With 650 GP you can do the following at that same node.

Sharp Vision -> Unearth -> Strike x5 (25% HQ chance) -> Deep Vigor -> Bountiful Yield -> Solid Reason -> Strike (100% HQ x2) -> Strike (100% HQ) 3 to 7 HQ. 4.25 yield on average.

[Skyrior]

(the nodes in HW that do not have an inherent bonus have a random chance of getting one of the following bonuses +30% HQ, +25% gather chance, +2 Gather Chances, +1 Yield per gather)

You missed out a lot:

+35% HQ, +15% HQ, bonus yield +2, +1 gathering attempts etc.

[alimdia]

You can't sit there and tell me what happened to me.

Oh yes I can, this is like if someone said they went on miner and after opening a node they got the botanist window, that doesn't happen, that's not how the game works, and I don't know why you don't want to accept that the game isn't broken, that maybe the monster was already aiming the aoe to that spot before you interacted with the node (mobs in both of those nodes have no aoe marker, just cleaves) taking out your stealth right before you interacted with the node. Worst case scenario it's a bug that literally only happens to you and no one else in the entire game and you should report it in the bug reports section.

Just another example why I am told in game " I do not post on the forums because of high toxicity"

There's one constant and many variables here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...vBForum_Thread

Try to find the constant. (and recommended read)

They are useless abilities, I thought that would be the accepted, but apparently that is "start an argument in every thread you make?"

As for last ditch, I stopped trying to use that, I have no idea what it does or what it is supposed to do, I gave up on that. I thought it was just me, if that is useless too well..

Well like I said you're free to not use them, those of us who do find use for them would like to keep using them instead of losing them.

People don't "choose" to attack you, in all those threads you started + all the others you didn't start but still went into an argument with other players you're the constant, you don't accept different opinions, you don't even entertain the idea that you might be wrong or that something wasn't handled well by you. If something keeps happening to you this often you could use some introspection.

For the last point, gathering and battle are not the same and should never be handled the same, for battle you have too many buttons to hit in a regular battle with more being added, for gathering it's 100% okay to have skills that are only useful in certain situations, because you're not supposed to be hitting every skill in the first place, crafting works the same way with many situational skills.

[Aramina]

(and recommended read)
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You are my new favorite person.

[Hamada]

Oh yes I can, this is like if someone said they went on miner and after opening a node they got the botanist window, that doesn't happen, that's not how the game works, and I don't know why you don't want to accept that the game isn't broken, that maybe the monster was already aiming the aoe to that spot before you interacted with the node (mobs in both of those nodes have no aoe marker, just cleaves) taking out your stealth right before you interacted with the node. Worst case scenario it's a bug that literally only happens to you and no one else in the entiregame and you should report it in the bug reports section.



There's one constant and many variables here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...vBForum_Thread

Try to find the constant. (and recommended read)




Well like I said you're free to not use them, those of us who do find use for them would like to keep using them instead of losing them.

People don't "choose" to attack you, in all those threads you started + all the others you didn't start but still went into an argument with other players you're the constant, you don't accept different opinions, you don't even entertain the idea that you might be wrong or that something wasn't handled well by you. If something keeps happening to you this often you could use some introspection.

For the last point, gathering and battle are not the same and should never be handled the same, for battle you have too many buttons to hit in a regular battle with more being added, for gathering it's 100% okay to have skills that are only useful in certain situations, because you're not supposed to be hitting every skill in the first place, crafting works the same way with many situational skills.

You need take your own advice:

"The truth" isn't a valid excuse to be mean, OP worded his post very neutral, just wondering if there's anything they can do, they didn't demand anything from SE or from the community like a special snowflake would, they are just consulting if there's any option they overlooked, that doesn't warrant the harsh reply you and the other person gave.

It really isn't that hard to treat other people like human beings.

I was stelthed, i clicked on the node, some bot got aggro and aoe the node, it hit me, stripped stealth, reset, agrroed me, killed me. I do not care what YOU THINK is supposed to happen, that is what happened to me.

[Mholito]

I was stelthed, i clicked on the node, some bot got aggro and aoe the node, it hit me, stripped stealth, reset, agrroed me, killed me. I do not care what YOU THINK is supposed to happen, that is what happened to me.

Has this happpened multiple times? Are you able to get a recording of it happening? People are a lot more willing to accept your claims if you can provide proof.

[alimdia]

You need take your own advice:

Telling you that you are wrong is not mistreating you. The rest was me telling you that you can't complain about forum drama when you're the one starting it every time you get involved in one.

I was stelthed, i clicked on the node, some bot got aggro and aoe the node, it hit me, stripped stealth, reset, agrroed me, killed me. I do not care what YOU THINK is supposed to happen, that is what happened to me.

Go submit a bug report then, you discovered a bug that only happens to you, I'm sure the devs would love to investigate it.

[Hamada]

Telling you that you are wrong is not mistreating you. The rest was me telling you that you can't complain about forum drama when you're the one starting it every time you get involved in one.

There's one constant and many variables here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...vBForum_Thread

Try to find the constant. (and recommended read)

You are really that blind you can't see you are mistreating me? take your own damn advice.

"The truth" isn't a valid excuse to be mean, OP worded his post very neutral, just wondering if there's anything they can do, they didn't demand anything from SE or from the community like a special snowflake would, they are just consulting if there's any option they overlooked, that doesn't warrant the harsh reply you and the other person gave.

It really isn't that hard to treat other people like human beings.

Go submit a bug report then, you discovered a bug that only happens to you, I'm sure the devs would love to investigate it.

I did not know it was a bug. I submitted a MPK report to a GM when it happened, since it was a bot anyway, and I explained that as well.

I was stelthed, i clicked on the node, some bot got aggro and aoe the node, it hit me, stripped stealth, reset, agrroed me, killed me. You are wrong for telling me I am wrong for saying what happened to me.

Has this happpened multiple times? Are you able to get a recording of it happening? People are a lot more willing to accept your claims if you can provide proof.

How in the hell was I supposed to know I needed proof to something trivial as this? How about, gasp, people should just be less toxic on the forums? maybe more people would be willing to post. You have any idea how much I am told "I do not post on the forums because they are too toxic?????"

I just want to make sure they examine gathering more closely for 4.0 since they did NOTHING for crafting and gathering for 3.0 (other then the useless specialist system that does not meet the goal they have in mind since hard core crafters make alts anyway, such as my ama) and get across my concerns why, not be belittled over if a bug/exploit/bot exploit/whatever happened to me, also it would be nice to make it harder to bot, that should be worthwhile for everyone get behind.

I just had a thought to show how useless that deep vigor rotation is. You get 1,1,1,1,1, 2 HQ right? off it. If we go by 3.4 node prices when they where new you get 25k NQ, 75k HQ, that's 125+175= 300k. With my rotation it is 3,3,3,3,3 , 15 items total. 15 x 25x= 375k, so even with zero HQs i have more value then your rotation, should i hit 12/3 (the average), that value is 225+300= 525k. (neglecting the fact I hit 3/12 once)

Now as you get lower prices like HQ not being triple the value of NQ, the gap of my rotation to using deep vigor grows even more, percent wise. So I need to ask again, why defending glaring game flaws/oversights?

[Ariane]

You start at 0 GP after dying because if you were to get GP when revived, you'd could kill yourself for GP to restore GP and you wouldn't have to use cordials.

The reason you start 400 GP after switching from another job is because all classes have 400 GP, and it regenerates on all jobs. It can't regenerate past 400 because that's the cap without equipment. SE could set the GP to something like 1000 on crafters and combat jobs, then it would go to up to 1000. Then when you switch to a gathering job, it would reduce down to 600 GP or whatever your gather job have for GP.