Healers not dpsing is not an issue it seems.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Just curious if you timed this using the same 2 DPS a few times or if this was rolled into the DF experiment. If you did it in the DF with different DPS then there are too many variables to claim that healer DPS only accounts for 1-2 minutes.

It has been proven in other experiments that the only time healer dps takes off more than a minute is when both dps are fairly shoddy. Otherwise they don't add as much as some would like to believe.

[Sebazy]

It has been proven in other experiments that the only time healer dps takes off more than a minute is when both dps are fairly shoddy.

Got a link to that proof?

My data pretty much says the polar opposite. I'll match or beat the majority of randoms in PF as SCH in both Expert and lvl 60 roulettes (and will typically do around 60%-70% of the DPS of a decent raidworthy player who's trying).

It's not going to half the time the run takes or anything, but with average DPS that are doing roughly the same or slightly less than my DPS, it's generally 2 to 3 minutes faster according to my logs.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Snip.

I don't, sadly! The links and math were all worked out in one of the hundreds of other threads and close to thousands (estimate) of pages worth of this very same debate, and I don't feel particularly interested in treading water in a vast ocean looking for small scraps of data. Ultimately though, I remember it boiling down to an expert run with all highly skilled players taking about 13-14 minutes without the healer dpsing, and 12-13 minutes with the healer going off the wall. Don't remember the jobs used, but that was what the math and experiments gave.

[Cynfael]

It has been proven in other experiments that the only time healer dps takes off more than a minute is when both dps are fairly shoddy. Otherwise they don't add as much as some would like to believe.

This is one of those instances where the pithy "pics or it didn't happen" line is completely appropriate to use.

For once I'm not interested in rehashing this. Anyone can prove for themselves the difference an active healer makes.

As for why no one complained in a small sample size, I would guess that they might be players like me: those who will put up with nearly anything short of outright trolling or duty-breaking incompetence in the interest of not adding further drama to an already painful experience by instigating what is almost certain to be a useless argument, no matter how good the intention might be.