Healers not dpsing is not an issue it seems.

[Ashua]

My friend did an experiment and did roulette dungeons as a healer over the last week or so and even though he normally does full out dps as a scholar he just stopped and only healed to see if anyone would say anything. Out of 12 dungeons he said not a single person said anything to him minus two tanks kindly offering advice in a positive and non pushy way.

I sincerely feel people are taking this issue a bit far and even timing runs when I tanked with him healing it barely took 1-2 minutes longer. Not sure why people are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill on this issue. He even got his normal amount of accommodations. Truth is for the most part people don't care ;/

[bounddreamer]

Error, sample size too small.

[Spiroglyph]

I would like to make a correction:

Most people don't care ENOUGH to warrant pointing anything out or potentially starting a fight and prolonging something most people would rather finish in a short amount of time.

Although I main healer (and I do personally love DPSing as a healer), I've been going as BLM as of lately, and most healers I've been teamed up with don't do damage. Now, I don't necessarily like this healing playstyle... but do I wanna be arsed with having to stop what I'm doing to be snarky about it? No. Do I wanna kick someone who might not be performing as I THINK they should and risk party disbanding and having to queue for another 30 minutes? Most definitely, NO.

I'm more likely to roll my eyes and keep going and toss my commendation somewhere else, if I'm being honest :P

What bounddreamer said is right, though. You can't conclude something like "people don't care about healer DPS" from a dozen dungeons... specially if they were from leveling roulette (OP didn't specify which roulettes, I'm assuming they did all daily roulettes for a couple of days).

As for the reason you say it took only a couple of minutes longer... well, there could be a number of factors affecting this

[Fyce]

Most people don't care ENOUGH to warrant pointing anything out or potentially starting a fight and prolonging something most people would rather finish in a short amount of time.

That's one of the main reason why people don't say anything. Saying something is risky, and the risk is that you start a fight and someone gets kicked. Worst case, the party dismiss and you have to queue again.
So, in the end, saying something might make you lose more time than it might save.
That's why people talk about that issue on the forums. At least, here, there's nothing to lose, and no risk involved. It's another story when you're actually in a duty.


Another main reason is that people simply don't watch what others are doing.

[whiteblade89]

Another main reason is that people simply don't watch what others are doing.

This describes me to a T. The only time I'm ever able to pay attention to what others are doing is when I'm healing. As a tank or dps, I'm far too busy doing my job to pay attention to the rest of the party's rotations. The only time I realize that something is up is if dps is just way too slow. And at that point, I blame the dps players. (Blame as in silently judge them while not saying anything). While healer dps does contribute to the overall speed of the run, I really couldn't care less if a healer doesn't dps. But at that point, healing is so damned boring that I wonder why a heal-only healer even plays the game.

[Dement]

I sincerely feel people are taking this issue a bit far and even timing runs when I tanked with him healing it barely took 1-2 minutes longer.

Just curious if you timed this using the same 2 DPS a few times or if this was rolled into the DF experiment. If you did it in the DF with different DPS then there are too many variables to claim that healer DPS only accounts for 1-2 minutes.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Just curious if you timed this using the same 2 DPS a few times or if this was rolled into the DF experiment. If you did it in the DF with different DPS then there are too many variables to claim that healer DPS only accounts for 1-2 minutes.

It has been proven in other experiments that the only time healer dps takes off more than a minute is when both dps are fairly shoddy. Otherwise they don't add as much as some would like to believe.

[Sebazy]

It has been proven in other experiments that the only time healer dps takes off more than a minute is when both dps are fairly shoddy.

Got a link to that proof?

My data pretty much says the polar opposite. I'll match or beat the majority of randoms in PF as SCH in both Expert and lvl 60 roulettes (and will typically do around 60%-70% of the DPS of a decent raidworthy player who's trying).

It's not going to half the time the run takes or anything, but with average DPS that are doing roughly the same or slightly less than my DPS, it's generally 2 to 3 minutes faster according to my logs.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Snip.

I don't, sadly! The links and math were all worked out in one of the hundreds of other threads and close to thousands (estimate) of pages worth of this very same debate, and I don't feel particularly interested in treading water in a vast ocean looking for small scraps of data. Ultimately though, I remember it boiling down to an expert run with all highly skilled players taking about 13-14 minutes without the healer dpsing, and 12-13 minutes with the healer going off the wall. Don't remember the jobs used, but that was what the math and experiments gave.