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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hpynso View Post
    I'm just asking you to keep it to yourself so you don't spread your badness to new players.
    Yeah I suck Soooo bad.. that after playing only for 2-3 months, I'm at 350 Coms without ever having played a healer or tank... man I really must have let all those parties down so much they just had to Recommend me.

    ... that is enough of this farce.

    ... your direct answer... NO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    Yeah I suck Soooo bad.. that after playing only for 2-3 months, I'm at 350 Coms without ever having played a healer or tank... man I really must have let all those parties down so much they just had to Recommend me.

    ... that is enough of this farce.

    ... your direct answer... NO.
    So you're bragging for having more commends than your DPS on a dummy?
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    Actually, the "getting jumped" in this thread was done by you and not to you, and after that tone was set things went downhill
    very quickly. Being disagreed with does not equate to being attacked or jumped on. People are allowed to disagree, especially when they have a reasoned argument to support why. The paraphrased progress of the conversation went:
    Try again Mhaeric here's the real conversation...

    1. (Random Poster) You melded piety on a caster!? I think my mind just exploded

    2. (Me) Absolutely... It's why I can do 5 Fire IV's instead of 4 Fire IVs as a BLM, and have 10.5k MP where other SMNs only have 9.5k, ie a full Ruin 3 more than they do.

    3. (Neela)
    I got two builds for my smn the raid one with 1270 crit 590 det 746 ss and a casual time stasis build with 830 crit 615 det 1250 ss. even with 1250 ss I never felt the need of extra piety one more fire 4 or ruin 3 isnt worth the loss in crit/ss for more mp. although I like exotic builds please don't spread that piety is the stat to go for caster (smn)... it definitely isnt and will never be a primary of the casters secondaries : o

    4. (Me)
    ....Says the person who was *shocked* people used Ruin 3 outsided of Trance in the first place... who apparently didn't realize you actually CAN use it out of Trance and be doing constant 200 potency single target damage... instead of 80 potency single target damage. No wonder YOU don't think you need Piety gear.



    And by the way that's not Ad Hominim... its from another thread Neela and I got into it on. Where she didn't know people were using Ruin 3 outside of trance now... like it was the new thing. The game changed... and now more people have the MP to use it outside of Trance.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    Try again Mhaeric here's the real conversation...

    1. (Random Poster) You melded piety on a caster!? I think my mind just exploded

    2. (Me) Absolutely... It's why I can do 5 Fire IV's instead of 4 Fire IVs as a BLM, and have 10.5k MP where other SMNs only have 9.5k, ie a full Ruin 3 more than they do.

    3. (Neela)
    I got two builds for my smn the raid one with 1270 crit 590 det 746 ss and a casual time stasis build with 830 crit 615 det 1250 ss. even with 1250 ss I never felt the need of extra piety one more fire 4 or ruin 3 isnt worth the loss in crit/ss for more mp. although I like exotic builds please don't spread that piety is the stat to go for caster (smn)... it definitely isnt and will never be a primary of the casters secondaries : o

    4. (Me)
    ....Says the person who was *shocked* people used Ruin 3 outsided of Trance in the first place... who apparently didn't realize you actually CAN use it out of Trance and be doing constant 200 potency single target damage... instead of 80 potency single target damage. No wonder YOU don't think you need Piety gear.



    And by the way that's not Ad Hominim... its from another thread Neela and I got into it on. Where she didn't know people were using Ruin 3 outside of trance now... like it was the new thing. The game changed... and now more people have the MP to use it outside of Trance.
    This is exactly what I paraphrased. Instead of supporting your claim that piety is better than sps via a reasonable discussion as to what you get out piety, you instead attack her credibility over some other issue. I.e. ad hominem. My point stands.
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    This is exactly what I paraphrased. Instead of supporting your claim that piety is better than sps via a reasonable discussion as to what you get out piety, you instead attack her credibility over some other issue. I.e. ad hominem. My point stands.
    Yeah.... but it's also true... if you never realized people used Ruin 3 outside of trance nowadays... of COURSE you're going to think Piety gear is useless for a SMN and never account for the total package of Ruin 3 spam. Because Ruin 1 and Ruin 2 cost very little MP to cast...

    If you never use it outside of DWT... then you'll never worry about MP anyway. But of course.... if you're maintaining Ruin 3 spam... its a different story. Because then you just might fall short at some critical moment so it would actually be a serious consideration. (Aka... the way the game is played now... changed)

    BUT... all of that is beside the point... SMN damage and gearing is not the point of the thread...

    .....its supposed to be about BLMs and their melds... Not SMN ... so irrelevent anyway
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    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    The logic here is very poor.
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    Love my friend. Love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    snippy snip
    I wanted to check your logs to compare them to other summoners and see if your extra ruinIII is worth the lost crit, but you don't have any logs on fflogs.



    To OP:
    It was said before, but I want to add a little bit:
    Best choice is to wait für stormblood to hit, because you will get new gear and can't get materia once melded back.

    But! Blackmage will most likely still need a lot of spellspeed and crit (on pieces you can't meld spellspeed on) so it might be a good idea to buy some materia now while they are still cheap on the marketboard.
    Of course just in case you don't have any/enough already and it is really cheap on your server.
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    Last edited by AmeliaVerves; 05-31-2017 at 05:36 PM.
    I don't know, man.

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    I really wouldn't try arguing with this Silverquick individual. If you have different opinions from them, they'll just tell you you're "way out of touch with reality" and "probably don't even play this game." .___. Believe me. Not to mention all they've done is derailed this thread, and contributed absolutely no helpful advice to the OP.

    Trust me. Just save your words.

    EDIT: And wow. Just seeing now all the typos I made in my materia suggestion to the OP. .__. Need to stop posting here when I'm too sleep deprived to even spell correctly. XD OP, I forgot to add in my original suggestion: start with maximizing as much Spell Speed as possible in your gear, and anywhere you can't meld Spell Speed, meld Crit. BLM stat weights (at least for the next couple of weeks) are SpSpeed > Crit.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 05-31-2017 at 07:43 PM.
    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    Yeah.... but it's also true... if you never realized people used Ruin 3 outside of trance nowadays... of COURSE you're going to think Piety gear is useless for a SMN and never account for the total package of Ruin 3 spam. Because Ruin 1 and Ruin 2 cost very little MP to cast...

    If you never use it outside of DWT... then you'll never worry about MP anyway. But of course.... if you're maintaining Ruin 3 spam... its a different story. Because then you just might fall short at some critical moment so it would actually be a serious consideration. (Aka... the way the game is played now... changed)

    Talking about SMN ... so irrelevent anyway
    its not done until you stop lying >: )

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    And by the way that's not Ad Hominim... its from another thread Neela and I got into it on. Where she didn't know people were using Ruin 3 outside of trance now... like it was the new thing. The game changed... and now more people have the MP to use it outside of Trance.
    you are such a fucking lier... it was ME who told YOU that smns use ruin lll out of trance nowadays on your first appearance in this forum (btw talking about being outdated - in the same conversation you stated to use bliz2 on mobs so mr. state of the modern art tell me who's outdated?) - I even quoted the posts in this thread.but you didn't take a note and still spread this fucking rumor... I am really really curious if you are that dumb or if you just play the dumbness.... other smn user in this forum already know that I got a fable for high ss - there where plenty of discussions about that. and what do you think is the main reason I go for max ss on one of my builds? right reducing cast time of hard casts -> oh well ruin lll got a hard cast oh wonder... so in fact a ss build is a ruin spam build with strong dot & egi dmg but a bit lack in crit & crit multiplyer. you don't know a shit about me and my "touch" in playing smn in different builds with different stats and focus'. not enough though... you don't know a shit about smns at all in general.

    lmao... "aka the way the game is played now"... smns are playing so since the ruin lll buff months ago - a time you didn't even started your smn. you still think that its your discovery to use ruin lll out of trance do u? u can't be serious about that... The reason why I posted my builds is to make a point: even with 1250 ss (which provides a ruin lll and dot hardcasttime of 2,22 secs) im not running out of mp WHILE using ruin lll oot. (adjusting the rota its even possible to go through a9s without downtimes f.e.) if you need piety for smn, your mp-management is just poor. #fact

    and it's sad that even now after others pointed arguments out you don't seem to get the whole problem with your choice of words and behavior if someone got an own opinion - which actually stays in contrast to yours. so its not just between you and me but between you and everybody else who says "you are wrong".


    #LearningYouAre #youngPadawan.
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    Last edited by Neela; 05-31-2017 at 07:15 PM.

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