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    Mairissa's Avatar
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    Marisha White
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    OOoo Ahhh...

    ....you gained a whopping 300 damage... At max in any boss mob fight that is not a raid you can do about 3 Deathflares maybe 4 with good spell speed.... that's a whopping 900 damage... maybe 1200....

    You just outdamaged the crap out of me didn't you? Lol

    And I actually threw in an extra Ruin 3 (probably a lot more than 1)... for about 3000 damage.

    Congratulations...
    Dethflare doesn't depend on SS, it depends on time and time only. 3-4 Deathflares is a 3 mins fight. In this fight, you will get 1 extra Ruin3 in the beginning and 1 more Ruin due to regen, maybe 1 more if the fight is on your side and it lasts 4 mins. So, 2-3 Ruins3.
    I will get 3-4 Ruins3 and more potent DoTs. Sorry, I can't argue with math.
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    Silverquick Fox
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mairissa View Post
    Deathflare doesn't depend on SS, it depends on time and time only. 3-4 Deathflares is a 3 mins fight. In this fight, you will get 1 extra Ruin3 in the beginning and 1 more Ruin due to regen, maybe 1 more if the fight is on your side and it lasts 4 mins. So, 2-3 Ruins3.
    I will get 3-4 Ruins3 and more potent DoTs. Sorry, I can't argue with math.
    No... SS counts recast timer, which is the basis for the Deathflare rotation and Aetherflow recast of 1 minute.

    I can do about 3 Deathflares in any given normal boss battle... only 2 with a good sidecar DPS who puts out really good damage. And that is all dependent upon Aetherflow stacks and the recast on it.

    Usually you save it when the boss mob is low because you have to have it ready for the next large trash pack or you have no AoEs.

    You guys got caught up in the minutiae and didn't look at the overall picture. Its why you ended up losing and putting out less DPS in reality while other SMN were outdamaging you.

    You somehow mysteriously thought this whopping 10% damage while in Dreadwrym was the be all end all... it wasn't.

    You were only squeezing an extra 300 damage out of it max. So Wow... you mega outdamaged me didnt you... oh wait... no you really didn't.
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    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 97
    As for BLM and piety, there are certain piety tiers that you can meet to be able to, in order of cumulative ascending piety tiers:

    1. squeeze out an extra Fire IV before needing to switch to umbral ice
    2. make it so that you always have enough mp to be able to thunder after blizzard 3 without sometimes needing to wait for a tick
    3. make it so that you always have enough mp to be able to blizzard 4 immediately after blizzard 3 without sometimes needing to wait for a tick

    The first requires only a very tiny amount of piety unless you're a dunesfolk lalafell who don't need to have any extra at all. The others require a moderate piety investment (~40 or so) in order to achieve. The easiest way to achieve this is to put it on your Anima weapon, since then you can save all your melds for other stats. This also makes you less tied to having to have piety on your SMN if you play both and don't want it there.

    Beyond that, sps is your best bet since it helps with mobility and being able to dodge quite a lot on top of increasing your rate of fire which is important as a slow casting turret. After that, technically I think det is better than crit by a slight margin, since it always applies it's effects whereas crit's benefits only apply occasionally due to the slow attack rate... but det is boring. Since the margin of difference is so small between the two, most blm I know just choose crit as the secondary stat for the fun factor.

    As for melding now... I would wait the 3 weeks until 4.0 hits, since all your current gear will become obsolete almost instantly.

    (As for the SMN feud, I don't know Neela but I would take anything Silverquick says about summoner with a grain of salt. I agree with Neela here that Piety is not a particularly useful summoner stat to have when weighted against what crit and sps bring to the table.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mairissa View Post
    I will get 3-4 Ruins3 and more potent DoTs.
    Don't forget more pet damage, since their attacks are directly improved by sps.
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    Last edited by Mhaeric; 05-30-2017 at 05:35 AM.

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    Powercow Cowcow
    World
    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    No... SS counts recast timer, which is the basis for the Deathflare rotation and Aetherflow recast of 1 minute.
    This is entirely not true. Like, at all. This is also probably the easiest thing in the entire game to test.
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    If someone wins an argument, they have learned nothing.

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