Just my sad little feelings on Whm...

[Seraphyna]

This is the only way I can put how I see SE treating WHM. It's horrible and sad. Their iconic healer, through all their games, they are treating like it doesn't deserve to be.

I've watched SE for four years give my WHM a slow, painful death. The job I mained throughout FFXI and FFXIV.

And I don't know if I want to be around for the final nail in the coffin.

And to people, like the one below, you don't get to tell me how to feel or that my feelings are wrong. So save it.

[Poisonous]

You're being pretty dramatic considering we know pretty much nothing about what the game is going to look like. The numbers. The overall balance. ANYTHING.

SCH and AST could have their healing abilities dramatically or mildly nerfed. WHM could have healing-based utility, which could still make it a pure healer. Massive healing could be very important come Stormblood.

I remember how many times the FFXIV community has thrown shade at new things before we knew what they really were like. Remember how much everyone hated on Ninja? Yeah, now it's pretty much required...

[Acidblood]

You're being pretty dramatic considering we know pretty much nothing about what the game is going to look like. The numbers. The overall balance. ANYTHING.

SCH and AST could have their healing abilities dramatically or mildly nerfed. WHM could have healing-based utility, which could still make it a pure healer. Massive healing could be very important come Stormblood.

I remember how many times the FFXIV community has thrown shade at new things before we knew what they really were like. Remember how much everyone hated on Ninja? Yeah, now it's pretty much required...

... Except they can't, becuase if they reduce AST / SCH healing too much then they will be non-viable (which is not good either). Also, NIN is only 'required' now because positive changes were actually made, and I can't see why people (like you) wouldn't want the same for WHM :/

Yeah same here, the healer community is acting really strange, we know nothing about the new spells except vague ideas and people are crying like they were playing their life
When you look at tank forum, you don't see 50 threads about how dark knight is going to be treated as the new paladin since they will now be able to tank magic damage without much trouble. There are some DRKs who feel afraid but the discussion is always toward speculation, not "omg my job is dead nobody wants me"
Same for the DPS, they just have fun thinking about what their abilities will be

And here you take a look at the healer forum : "Don't touch cleric" and "Whm is dead". Wow...

Because unlike Tanks, where PLD got appropriately improved, and DRK is still a well rounded class, and unlike DPS where their cross-role abilities are actually interesting (and there is some choice), Healers (and Tanks) pretty much got screwed by the cross-role system (losing a lot of basic utilities to it), and WHM in particular, that has been needing help for a while now, has gotten especially screwed (zero choice in cross-role simply to get back what they had) and all that was said for them was 'they are not changing'.

[HopeEstheim]

Healers (and Tanks) pretty much got screwed by the cross-role system (losing a lot of basic utilities to it), and WHM in particular, that has been needing help for a while now, has gotten especially screwed (zero choice in cross-role simply to get back what they had) and all that was said for them was 'they are not changing'.

You see, this argument coming again and again is a problem to me. Why do people not realize that is a chance for WHM to be a lot improved? Protect, Esuna, Shroud, and maybe if people are right that "divine seal copy".... You should be happy to get NEW skills, WHM will be the healer with the most new abilities. How is WHM more screwed than every other healer?

SCH/AST will need protect, they will need esuna, they will need shroud and "divine seal copy" if that's a thing... That's already 4 slot taken for the 3 healers, but in the process, SCH loose almost nothing and AST nothing, while WHM will get a lot of new abilities. You can't tell me the devs are going to give WHM ~6/7 new healing spells without acknowledging their lack of support, and not giving any shape of it to them. Look, they literally said that "RDM will be a pure dps and no support!", and yet, he get a party 10% buff with a 4% decay every 4sec... This is not the first time the devs don't tell everything about what's coming next.

[DreamWeaver]

You see, this argument coming again and again is a problem to me. Why do people not realize that is a chance for WHM to be a lot improved? Protect, Esuna, Shroud, and maybe if people are right that "divine seal copy".... You should be happy to get NEW skills, WHM will be the healer with the most new abilities. How is WHM more screwed than every other healer?

Normally yes I'll agree with you, but looking back at SE's track record?
Granite skin become lol -0.5 cast time.
Proshell become lol 20% chance to reduce MP cost for Medica.

So please forgive them for being so apprehensive.

[HopeEstheim]

Normally yes I'll agree with you, but looking back at SE's track record?
Granite skin become lol -0.5 cast time.
Proshell become lol 20% chance to reduce MP cost for Medica.

So please forgive them for being so apprehensive.

Ok, you get a point here, but remember that, at the end of ARR, WHM was in every group, and at the beginning of Heavensward, it was the go-to healer, while AST was sitting far back.
Back then, WHM didn't needed love at all, so why give them? AST meta really started end of Midas/Creator, it was already too late, I think they just waited for the expension to drop to give WHM a revamp well-deserved after seeing how it was not desired after the mistake they made of over-buffing AST.

Don't see me as an anti-WHM, my co-healer is a WHM and I think we do fine, but it's true that the job really need to define itself more. He's confident about Stormblood and so I am, so why not just wait and see?

[Acidblood]

SCH/AST will need protect, they will need esuna, they will need shroud and "divine seal copy" if that's a thing... That's already 4 slot taken for the 3 healers, but in the process, SCH loose almost nothing and AST nothing, while WHM will get a lot of new abilities. You can't tell me the devs are going to give WHM ~6/7 new healing spells without acknowledging their lack of support, and not giving any shape of it to them. Look, they literally said that "RDM will be a pure dps and no support!", and yet, he get a party 10% buff with a 4% decay every 4sec... This is not the first time the devs don't tell everything about what's coming next.

I certainly hope you are right, and I hope whatever the new mechanics / skills are they make skills like Shroud of Saints, Protect, or even Esuna (maybe we get one on a cooldown) less necessary, and I would like to think the class designers know what they are doing (I'm certainly happy with the changes to PLD, and from the looks of it BRD / MCH), so there is some hope. That said, for them to not even briefly mention a single new WHM skill (and with the most unique looking skill used in the trailer being cross-role), leaves me more than a bit worried, and until we get confirmation otherwise (i.e. a brief outline of the new skills; Stone IV does not count) I'm not going to just pretend that everything is fine.

Also regarding RDM, I never heard them say 'no support', only that it would be a DPS similar to BLM and SMN... which to me just means that it's not going to be a hybrid (like BRD / MCH) as RDM is classicly known.

[HopeEstheim]

Also regarding RDM, I never heard them say 'no support', only that it would be a DPS similar to BLM and SMN... which to me just means that it's not going to be a hybrid (like BRD / MCH) as RDM is classicly known.

Oh yeah, that's just my interpretation of "pure DPS", but everyone is getting party buffs, and job synergy is something very important for them ( this is one of the first thing they said during the live letter ), so I don't know why WHM would not follow this logic.

Don't worry, WHMs main, I'm sure you'll get awesome stuff this expansion, and if this is not the case, you will truly have the right to riot

[AzraelX]

I agree that ur being dramatic and i love ur illustration- I hope the devs do read this and reconsider any pending negative changes to WHM.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Wow the level of crying and drama with some healers is off the charts. I'm embarrassed to be a healer main after seeing all the over-dramatic posts and threads of the past week.