How do you think the WHM Lilies work?

[Gemina]

I'm not quite sure what they mean by a chance at a reduced cast time. I'm hoping it's more along the lines of the more lilies you have, the faster you get. I freakin love PoM, and while I know we can't be like that 100% of the time, I am all about spell speed, especially on WHM.

The ability that consumes the gauge is very interesting, and it surprises me that not many bring up how all targets are effected (allies and mob) when it is consumed. I don't even really have any ideas what this would do, but for some reason I have this feeling that something fairly good is coming for WHM that is hard to see. It's been tossed around a little that WHM's compensating for lack of utility with damage might be the way to go, and I'm leaning towards that as well.

[Fernosaur]

The ability that consumes the gauge is very interesting, and it surprises me that not many bring up how all targets are effected (allies and mob) when it is consumed. I don't even really have any ideas what this would do, but for some reason I have this feeling that something fairly good is coming for WHM that is hard to see. It's been tossed around a little that WHM's compensating for lack of utility with damage might be the way to go, and I'm leaning towards that as well.

What is this WHM positivity?! THE WORLD IS ENDING, DIDN'T YOU HEAR?

:P

That said, imagine if WHM can do a little Trick Attack-like debuff!

[Gemina]

What is this WHM positivity?! THE WORLD IS ENDING, DIDN'T YOU HEAR?

:P

That said, imagine if WHM can do a little Trick Attack-like debuff!

I'm one of the few that has remained optimistic that is for sure

Probably not a trick attack, but I believe WHM has an ace up their sleeve. We'll see!

[BlueMageQuina]

A part of me feels as if it will require 3 full lillies to cast Benediction or perhaps Tetragrammaton. That could be a good or a bad thing honestly. However I also feel as if the lillies will only effect new spells. With the possibility of losing Protect, Cleric Stance, Esuna, Shroud of Saints, Divine Seal, Stoneskin and Stoneskin II (7 skills), it's reasonable to believe the lillies may only effect things we don't know yet.

[DuskTS]

A part of me feels as if it will require 3 full lillies to cast Benediction or perhaps Tetragrammaton.

Possibly, although bene and tetra are both available ready to use on Yoshi-P's hotbar when he has no lilies. Strangely esuna is not, is it possible that esuna can not be used on yourself anymore?
There are 3 new skills with blue icons, water spells. One is lit up and provides a self-buff but no idea if it can target another player. Another skill is dimmed out and when used on the BLM in the showcase to me indicated a 'swap' of sorts, whether that's health, status effects or mana I believe it is transferred from WHM to the target due to the animation order. No lilies are consumed however 2 lilies are available before it was used. The final skill is the 'barrier' which consumed all Lilies available. It's very possible this skill can be used with just a single flower for a weaker shield.

I'm probably completely off the mark about most of these especially the idea of swapping (although imagine being able to gift another player with your raid debuff).

Even assuming Lilies reduced (re)cast time, lowered mana consumption and increased damage it seems antithetical to the current content design/WHM playstyle in which you rely on regen ticks, medica and tetra to perform bulk of healing.
Ideally you want 3 flowers at all times to self-buff your DPS output and rely on the actual barrier classes to provide mitigation. Even if you put your barrier on a Tank at best it would save them from using a cooldown to mitigate, it wouldn't save you from spending the next 3 GCDs overcuring to get your flowers back. I'd like to hope that you can grow flowers pre-pull for the best opener otherwise that's 3 GCDs you're going to be behind on compared to the other Healers.

The more I speculate the worse everything seems. I will wait for real info to smash my worries into oblivion and make WHM meta again.

Soiled it.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I'm one of the few that has remained optimistic that is for sure

Probably not a trick attack, but I believe WHM has an ace up their sleeve. We'll see!

I believe so too. I am so excited. It's like waiting for Christmas morning.

I wonder if the lilies will work like the monks greased lightning? You know, get everything powered up so you can be either fast or have a super powerful kick. In the case of white mages, either shorter casting times or a potent mitigation spell.

[Slaine_Fray]

I believe so too. I am so excited. It's like waiting for Christmas morning.

I wonder if the lilies will work like the monks greased lightning? You know, get everything powered up so you can be either fast or have a super powerful kick. In the case of white mages, either shorter casting times or a potent mitigation spell.

Meh

https://gamerescape.com/2017/05/30/f...lysis-healers/

[Leigaon]

The ability that consumes the gauge is very interesting, and it surprises me that not many bring up how all targets are effected (allies and mob) when it is consumed. I don't even really have any ideas what this would do, but for some reason I have this feeling that something fairly good is coming for WHM that is hard to see..

One thing I liked that we got in 3.0 was assize, the ability to do multiple things with Assize. we are able to perform multiple tasks at once, in fact that's what I enjoy about WHM in general. I think going on this route will be what Barrier is for. I did not notice it on the mob and the caster. I'll go back and look.

I do see that after all the lilies were gone that he buffed the BLM, and the stone had a small white flicker on it, but I believe (and I'm always ready to be wrong) but it looks like it's not from the DoTs like I thought but whatever he used prior to depleting the flowers.

This is the small section I'm looking at..

https://clips.twitch.tv/PleasantTire...hopperPipeHype

@ :25, that another heal? Or is that some sort of buff? it's what he uses at 34 seconds into that video that shows something hitting the mob. Is that what people think barrier is? Maybe I'm getting confused too early in the morning..

Not arguing, simply trying to understand.

[Reivya]

My guess is the blue particle effects on the target dummy is just the Aero dots expiring, just happening to line up with other skills.

[Gemina]

Snip.

Thanks for the upload! After watching it a kagillion times and slowing it down, I've been able to get a better idea of what is going on. I agree with the previous posters who noticed that it is very likely the aero dots wearing off. Hard to tell with the first pulse like effect since the WHM is using their ability at the same time, but if you listen closely to the second one, you can hear the sound effect for when a debuff clears. Mr. Happy's WHM video mentioned that the only thing the devs have stated about this lily consuming ability is that it is some kind of barrier. Whether or not this gives WHM some of the utility others are asking for will have to wait until we get our hands on it.

The break down of what I see:
*note* WHM starts off with one lily in the gauge
- Divine seal, or whatever it is going to be called now. *note* It has Divine Seal's animation, but a different sound effect. It could be something else entirely.
- Cure spell (lily proc). *note* I took video of my own WHM casting cures 1-3. It is neither of those. Possible Cure 4. The lily procs during the cast, and should also note the WHM gains some kind of buff. The effect happens after the lily proc.
- Aero 3
- Aero 2. *note* It appears the devs have combined the very best of both aero 1 and 2. The possibility that they combined potencies, and made it instant exists. It also seems to have the same duration as Aero 3. If all this were true. Wow!
- Stone IV
- AoE buff or heal. *note* I believe this is the same ability we see in the Benchmark trailer
- Self buff
- Cure (lily proc) *note* same cure as previous, and lily procs in the same manner. However this time no self buff proc.
- Cure 3
- Lily consumption ability
- Rescue

One more note I will add is that it could be varied play speeds, but I've looked at the video at normal speed on several devices, and on each one this WHM is seriously fast.