cross roll system and issues on some jobs

[Wildsprite]

honestly devs, you should just auto cross the important skills and give us an option for 1 or 2 skills on top of those.
this new Cross Role system looks nice but I'm looking at the skills in there and important skills should never be set as optional.


please take this as more of an observation than a complaint as I can honestly see issues happening with this system happening later if they keep it as they showed it

[Felis]

Why not first try it out before demanding changes?
Also, why a new thread?

[Wildsprite]

you misunderstand, this is a suggestion not a demand.

[Rinuko]

What is important is very different player to player too. If they were to force some skills on you which you dont want there would be much salt

[dlgc]

OP, I feel that your "suggestion" is purely you "jumping the gun" based on the limited information we have about Stormblood.

Cheers,
D.

[Wildsprite]

OP, I feel that your "suggestion" is purely you "jumping the gun" based on the limited information we have about Stormblood.

Cheers,
D.

ofcourse some of you might think so but I'll leave this thread with a quote from another

Personally I think this whole change is going to backfire hilariously.

I mean, think about it: SE has stated they want to (a) reduce button bloat, and (b) make the system more accessible / usable for casual players. Laudable goals, both, assuming they can be effectively achieved. But, it is arguable the nature of the role-based system might worsen both. Consider:

1.) Role-based skills are broad enough that it appears frequent swapping between skill combinations is encouraged. This means that users must integrate most or all of the Role-based skills onto their hotbars, rather than just the five I'd use now, all of which are relatively static.

2.) Role-based skills being flexible and guaranteed means the floodgates will be opened for players being told how to play. Think that situation is bad now? Wait until tanks start bitching at healers for not having Esuna selected. Wait until people wipe because the tank forgot to respec from a damage-oriented setup they were using for solo'ing. This isn't going to lead to a friendlier environment for casual or forgetful players.

Don't get me wrong, I think the role-based skill system is potentially a good idea - but it doesn't fix the problem. They've essentially removed the need to level other jobs, but shifted even MORE crucial abilities into optional skills. Healers in 3.x need to have Swiftcast, but now they need to make damned sure they've selected Esuna, too - and heaven help them if they don't. This would have worked a hell of a lot better if the role-based skills were optional things that gave non-crucial, but nonetheless useful, abilities. They should have behaved like Merit Point abilities in FFXI. Hell, they could have even allowed for the selection of a role-based Trait or two, something powerful, so people could really customize how their class felt. Instead, they've worsened almost all the problems of the cross-class system; the only thing they fixed (and it's debatable if this is a good thing or not) is the fact that players no longer have to level separate jobs they might not be interested in.

Truly a missed opportunity.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The reason they are going about it this way is to avoid having jobs learn the exact same ability. With the cross role system, if someone ever does enter content without say, Provoke. They can immediately swap it in once told it's mandatory.

[Belhi]

I will say I find it weird for Esuna to be an optional skill.

[dlgc]

Maybe the healers will have some other channels of negating negative status? All we can do us speculate at this point.

Even if Esuna is the only debuff removal skill that healers get, I do not think it is necessarily a bad decision, since it provides players more freedom when it comes to their playstyle:

Take me for example, I always go Noct. AST whenever my partner goes WHM to raids. He loves to dd, and I am the more "careful" one.

If we are in a decent raid with people knowing what to expect/do, it is perfectly fine with me being the one with Esuna, while my partner chooses another skill other than Esuna to help him with his dmg output.

Having said that, what we know at this juncture is only a small piece of the puzzle. It is redundant in asking for changes based on blind speculations.

Cheers,
D.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I will say I find it weird for Esuna to be an optional skill.

Probably there for scholars so they can use it at an earlier level.