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    Pence's Avatar
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    Bravo Whiskey
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    Ravana
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yeol View Post
    Blah blah blah
    You don't think it'll change MCH playstyle? Having a shorter WF, less CD's, having a new 'heat' mechanic, less ammo, new abilities, able to move while skillin'........

    And for some reason you bring up 'we'll be dealing some magic damage instead of physical'? ....What? Why? Elements are dead in this game. Very limited reasons it'd ever matter. And DRK using magic makes it extremely impractical to impose 'magic resistance'.

    You don't get animation lock with abilities, only skills. Abilities are instant cast. And skills? Learn-2-slide.
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    Dr Yeol
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Pence View Post
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    What I meant is, we will still be going for max wildfire damage. Rotation will change for sure, but the goal is still the same.

    Also the reason I said fire = magic is because NIN fire (idk what is the name of that ability) is doing magic damage not physical, I made my assumption based on that. It is just speculations, I'm not saying this is the case.
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    Last edited by Yeol; 05-26-2017 at 09:18 PM.
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    O'phyro Dhekku
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    Shiva
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    Ninja Lv 80
    I have mixed feelings about these changes, but I'm definitely hyped to see what we have in store since I've enjoyed playing MCH and I'm hoping to max level it asap.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Monk Lv 100
    I feel like I'm honestly much less likely to enjoy MCH now that the ammo system has been turned into Aetherflow of the Machines.

    What was so wrong with proc guarantees and an otherwise gambler class?
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    Myon Miya
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    Well, if you're looking at it from a 'can they provide the healer mana without losing DPS', then the ranged 'can't afford it' either. You lose DPS promoting your turret, just as a SMN will lose ruin 3s if they donate mp to a healer - it's an emergency skill you use as a last resort to salvage an already bad situation.

    But that's an interesting point I guess, if they're diluting tp/mp support into cross-role skills like that it does seem like a good sign for the ranged.
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    Yorumi Eienyuki
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    Ultros
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    Red Mage Lv 77
    Quote Originally Posted by Myon88 View Post
    Well, if you're looking at it from a 'can they provide the healer mana without losing DPS', then the ranged 'can't afford it' either. You lose DPS promoting your turret, just as a SMN will lose ruin 3s if they donate mp to a healer - it's an emergency skill you use as a last resort to salvage an already bad situation.
    It's not so much about losing dps. For a smn(and probably rdm) they have to plan for it in advance. If a smn is going all out dps they won't have the mp to give in an emergency. For a brd or mch they don't use their mp while dpsing so it's highly unlikely they won't have the mp to turn on a song. A smn though would have to lower their dps for the whole find in order to save mp to give. And once they give it they'd probably still be low enough to severely hinder dps.

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    The garlean empire has also been hinted to have a lot more advance technology we have yet to see and I would not be surprised if they have Television, Cafes, cars, more advance guns such as Machine Guns and Shotguns, motorcycles, and even the Internet within Garlemald considering they have Holographic computers, walkers, combat drones, and advance flying battleships.
    Also keep in mind the allagans. The state of the world now is more a regression and FAR more advanced technology has existed even without considering the garleans.
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    Last edited by Yorumi; 05-26-2017 at 03:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    It's not so much about losing dps. For a smn(and probably rdm) they have to plan for it in advance. If a smn is going all out dps they won't have the mp to give in an emergency. For a brd or mch they don't use their mp while dpsing so it's highly unlikely they won't have the mp to turn on a song. A smn though would have to lower their dps for the whole find in order to save mp to give. And once they give it they'd probably still be low enough to severely hinder dps.
    This is all moot really considering we have no idea how any job will play out in Stormblood. The fact of the matter is that casters have this cross-role skill now, that's not going to change, and there are certain things you can infer from that about how SE views caster raid utility.
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    Sylvaria Molkot
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    Behemoth
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    Despite not minding casts on BRD (though mainly because they had so many oGCDs + Empyreal Arrow), and maining BLM, I absolutely hated casts on MCH; so yeah, with their removal, I may actually consider playing it more than once a year (outside of pre-50 content). I also like that the ammo mechanic has changed, as it was quite boring before, and if it loses the turret I can't say I'd miss it.
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    Edwin Li
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    I like the changes and they introduce more tech skill theme as Machinist should be themed around more for being the Technology Job.

    Heat meter is not that much of a issue as I have dealt with this mechanic before in other games. Just have to maintain the heat and avoid going crazy with skill spam to avoid overheating. Not many people will like how the Heat Meter prevents them frim mindlessly spamming every single skill at once due to Overheating but it is mostly down to how the Heat Meter may affect Machinist Damage and the benefits for maintaining proper balance with the Heat from overheating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post

    Anyway... seems that every cls will get a kind of charging-system with stronger finisher... the trailer and the skills seems a bit odd or to modern for a fantasy rpg imo...
    It is not that strange as Eorzea is now at the crossroad of advancement in technology. As Cid said there have been a lot of new technology being introduce into Eorzea's society due to his Ironworks. One such example is the Linkpearls which Cid reveal back in 2.0 is a actually a ear piece phone that use electronic microchips Ironwork's make but people think Linkpearls are powered by Magic due to lack of understanding in Computer, Electrical, and Mechanical Engineering. Cid also states he does not push too much of the knowledge on to Eorzea's society because it would confuse them so he just let them believe it is magic unless they are willing to learn how Computer, Electronical, and Machanical Engineering works.

    The garlean empire has also been hinted to have a lot more advance technology we have yet to see and I would not be surprised if they have Television, Cafes, cars, more advance guns such as Machine Guns and Shotguns, motorcycles, and even the Internet within Garlemald considering they have Holographic computers, walkers, combat drones, and advance flying battleships.
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    Last edited by EdwinLi; 05-25-2017 at 03:54 PM.

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    Vex Sunkiller
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    Famfrit
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    Warrior Lv 80
    I wish they kept the 3.0 GB but gave us Multiple ways to play with and without GB. Gb could be a high burst damage play style while with out is a quick sustain play style.
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