Are role actions a nerf?

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

How can people play the Scholar in HW?
Its impossible without Lucid Dream (Shroud) D:

I apologize for not clarifying in that post you quoted:

Lucid Dream is the "one size fits all" MP management tool replacement for Shroud of Saints, Luminous Aether, and maybe Aetherflow as well (I am unsure if SCH are keeping Aetherflow or if it will still recover MP). needless to say, healers are generally expected to be able to manage their mp without outside help. If SCH keeps Aetherflow as is, then Lucid Dream is an optional (and likely useless) ability for them freeing up a pick. WHM and AST absolutely need this... and SCH will too if they lose mp recovery via Aetherflow. SCH is already guaranteed losing mp recovery from Drain (which is becoming a caster dps role skill).

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Esuna isn't mandatory if there are no debuffs to remove on a given fight.

Can you recall every specific encounter that has a debuff you can remove and which doesn't? Can you guarantee you wont get one of the ones requiring cleansing in a roulette? Is your group expected to wait for your cooldown to swap into Esuna when you end up in content that does have debuffs to remove? Which skill are you going to replace with Esuna when you do swap? Will you swap at the beginning of a dungeon that has debuffs or just at specific fights within that dungeon?

[Grimmjow_Jaegerjaques]

I apologize for not clarifying in that post you quoted:

Energy Drain is an Arcanist Skill, so the Scholar wont lose it ^^

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Energy Drain is an Arcanist Skill, so the Scholar wont lose it ^^

Not in 4.0 its not. Arcanists/Summoners/Scholars will no longer have Drain by default. It will have to be chosen as a shared role action and only Arcanists/Thaumaturges/Summoners/Black Mages/Red Mages will have access to it

[Ilenya]

Not in 4.0 its not. Arcanists/Summoners/Scholars will no longer have Drain by default. It will have to be chosen as a shared role action and only Arcanists/Thaumaturges/Summoners/Black Mages/Red Mages will have access to it

This seems like an odd change. Will SMN get something to replace it for Aetherflow stack usage?

[ErryK]

Not in 4.0 its not. Arcanists/Summoners/Scholars will no longer have Drain by default. It will have to be chosen as a shared role action and only Arcanists/Thaumaturges/Summoners/Black Mages/Red Mages will have access to it

SMN uses Energy Drain in the Skill Showcase, as they gain an aethertrail stack, and lose an aetherflow stack when using it.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

This seems like an odd change. Will SMN get something to replace it for Aetherflow stack usage?

I'm not sure. We haven't seen the nitty gritty details of all the changes yet. What we do know is that Drain is moving to the caster dps shared role skills.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

SMN uses Energy Drain in the Skill Showcase, as they gain an aethertrail stack, and lose an aetherflow stack when using it.

You are correct. Summoners can use Drain as a shared role action. Scholars however cannot. Assuming Aetherflow as a skill still exists and still restores MP, Scholars may indeed not need to take Lucid Dream, as I mentioned earlier. They will however lose some mp gain from no longer having Drain though. Likely it wont impact them too much to require Lucid Dream if Aetheflow still works as it does now.

[Grimmjow_Jaegerjaques]

You are correct. Summoners can use Drain as a shared role action. Scholars however cannot.

Of course he needs that role action for his rotation. Do you really believe that?!

[Neophyte]

I'm not sure. We haven't seen the nitty gritty details of all the changes yet. What we do know is that Drain is moving to the caster dps shared role skills.

We have seen SMN using a stack to use energy drain and it affects his core HUD element. Therefore energy drain can't be a shared action.

Both SMN and SCH use Aetherflow.

As long as Energy Drain is not moved to SMN job kit instead of arcanist ones, SCH has it.