Ninja

[Laflama_Blanca]

The only case I really think TCJ to apply TA makes sense is if TA has under 10s of CD, TCJ is ready and waiting for TA would result in a waste of Ninki :/
Otherwise, TCJ inside TA ftw on my case.

TCJ before TA is the best case scenario and will always be stronger than TA into TCJ. I pointed this out a ways back. Using TA prior to TCJ comes at the cost of using Suiton vs Raiton, or 180 potency. This is greater than the 156 potency gain TA yields during TCJ. Additionally, this saves you from severe GCD clipping from hard casting Suiton, and yields an additional ~3 seconds of TA vulnerability not wasted during TCJ.

However, we still need to be using TA and TCJ on cooldown, so this won't benefit us much in practice. Respective cooldowns of 60 and 100 seconds make it so we can't align them in this way throughout the rotation. But as Adelaide said, we should take advantage of TCJ into TA whenever possible. Why waste the free Suiton effect and give up a Raiton?

[Arkenne]

Suiton vs Raiton, 180 potency. greater than the 156 potency

O.M.G.

I can't believe you had to literally slap me with this for me to finally get it...

True, a difference of 24 potency... damn it...

brb, killing myself.

So this technically means that TA would be used not at 10 but at 20 seconds in the opener if Ninki is at 0?
Thats a 30 seconds opener there and I'm not so sure many enemies will stay still for that long...

In a way an opener with TCJ inside TA still sounds appealing to me given that its only 23 seconds in comparison (and aligns DwaD with TA without delays) :/

About the alignment, there is a high chance that the 2nd TCJ, if it were to happen, would align with another TA, since TA is only gated behind Suiton and its own CD, while TCJ is gated behind its own CD, and the Ninki bar, which is also gated behind our own uptime besides the opponent. This easily could delay the Ninki gauge fill up in 10 seconds in some fights (which could lead to a TCJ > TA case).