Ninja

[Laflama_Blanca]

Uuh... but I was looking for an opener that could have TCJ on the first TA?
Besides, given the nature of Ninki generation, I find the alignments of CDs with Ninki skills rather unreliable outside the first 20 seconds...
Past that it seems like it will really differ depending on the battle.

I wasn't responding to you, sorry. TCJ aligned with 1st TA is easy, of course. There was talk of TCJ aligning with 2nd Trick, which Klarkus was asking about.

[Arkenne]

There was talk of TCJ aligning with 2nd Trick.

Hrm... I see, I need to learn to read properly, lately I've had many of these mistakes...

[Adelaide3]

Ten Chi Jin should only ever be used in order to apply every second Trick Attack. Ninki charges to 100 and Suiton lasts for 10 seconds so even if Trick Attack isn't ready by the time your TCJ is ready then it's no problem at all because you can create the time that you need.

I don't know about you guys, but i'm actually trying to get away from hard casting Suiton during boss fights because that's alot of global cooldowns lost.

[Laflama_Blanca]

You're going to be wasting ninki with this strategy. If you have a 2.108 auto attack speed you'll reach 180 ninki at 50.59 seconds after engaging. You're going to sacrifice about 3 auto attacks worth of ninki holding at 100 if you wait to use TCJ so the suiton comes out 10 seconds before trick. This issue will continue down the line; TCJ's cooldown is 100 seconds while trick is only 60, so trying to keep them lined up is problematic. You also want to keep TCJ lined up directly after ninjutsu as much as possible.

[Klarkus]

You're going to be wasting ninki with this strategy. If you have a 2.108 auto attack speed you'll reach 180 ninki at 50.59 seconds after engaging. You're going to sacrifice about 3 auto attacks worth of ninki holding at 100 if you wait to use TCJ so the suiton comes out 10 seconds before trick. This issue will continue down the line; TCJ's cooldown is 100 seconds while trick is only 60, so trying to keep them lined up is problematic. You also want to keep TCJ lined up directly after ninjutsu as much as possible.

So are you saying its best to use TCJ in the opener with trick attack or bhava and TCJ for second trick attack

[Laflama_Blanca]

So are you saying its best to use TCJ in the opener with trick attack or bhava and TCJ for second trick attack

I'm still of the opinion that TCJ needs to be in the opener. My proposed opener (TCJ before trick) still shows the highest PPS to where I've taken them (240 ninki). However, the way TCJ can align with TA further down the rotation in the more popular opener (TA into TCJ) as previously described is appealing and starting to sway me in that direction.

It's worth noting again that the Bhava opener is vastly better for encounters with an early add phase. TCJ, while very strong for single target, is completely bananas for AOE.

[Adelaide3]

You're going to be wasting ninki with this strategy. If you have a 2.108 auto attack speed you'll reach 180 ninki at 50.59 seconds after engaging. You're going to sacrifice about 3 auto attacks worth of ninki holding at 100 if you wait to use TCJ so the suiton comes out 10 seconds before trick. This issue will continue down the line; TCJ's cooldown is 100 seconds while trick is only 60, so trying to keep them lined up is problematic. You also want to keep TCJ lined up directly after ninjutsu as much as possible.

A rule will be needed then to just use TCJ by itself with doton if it doesn't line up within a certain parameter to be used to enable trick attack. There's other means of forcing cooldowns to line up and alot of possibilitis still unexplored.

I guess it all comes down to wanting to use either more bhavacakras or more frogs.

[Arkenne]

A rule to use TCJ by itself with doton.

thought so but, SRS is 780 while SKD is 810... if you lose a single tic of Doton, you are done :/

[Arkenne]

I don't know about you guys, but i'm actually trying to get away from hard casting Suiton during boss fights because that's alot of global cooldowns lost.

On the latest opener that I posted up there I'm using a pre-pull Suiton, tho it is sort of an stretch and may require giving SkS some importance.
I have to agree that hard casting Suiton has a real negative effect on GCDs but for the sake of timing Ninki skills may be an actual valid factor, as 2 AutoAttacks can happen in the duration of a Suiton hard cast.

Of course that if we go for Bhava before TCJ hard casting Suiton is a total waste :/

Altho making the 2nd TA have the whole of TCJ fit in just fine (if you start with Bhava), I really fail to see it as reliable :/
Seriously if anything Ninki generation will be for the NIN like casting bars are for BRD and MCH.