Ninja

[Laflama_Blanca]

Looking over these changes, I really wish they would bring back sneak attack and separate it's cooldown from trick attack. Ten Chi Jin is a very cool ability, but it's a bit awkward in the rotation due to Suiton. As I see it, you'll definitely want to use a ninjitsu and Kassatsu prior to Ten Chi Jin so your 480 potency Fuma is also guaranteed to crit. So your choices are either Suiton - Trick - Kassatsu - Ten Chi Jin - Fuma - Raiton - Suiton, in which case the last Suiton is essentially wasted with no move to follow it (despite being 360 potency, still nice), or Raiton - Kassatsu - Ten Chi Jin - Fuma - Raiton - Suiton - Trick. As it stands #2 is the winner; casting Raiton first over Suiton is a 180 potency increase, which more than makes up for not having trick up for your Ten Chi Jin casts, and you can still take advantage of the 10 seconds of vuln afterwards. It feels counter intuitive to end with trick, though, and removes a sense of synergy from the rotation. This could be easily fixed by giving us back Sneak Attack and separating it's cooldown from Trick Attack. We could then use Suiton twice, getting in a Trick prior to Ten Chi Jin and a Sneak immediately after, meaning Suiton's bonus effect would never be wasted. Of course potencies would need to be adjusted; I'm not suggesting we just be given an extra 500 potency attack to stick at the end of Ten Chi Jin. Trick & Sneak could both me made to 300 potency, or maybe sneak should only be 200 potency. Whatever it would take to be balanced... I don't really care about the numbers, it's about the flow of the rotation and synergy of abilities. The class would be more interesting with two moves to use out of Suiton rather than only trick. Seems like a missed opportunity the way it's currently designed.

Also, with the currently revealed 4.0 abilities, I believe Fuma - Raiton - Suiton makes more sense during Ten Chi Jin than Fuma - Katon - Doton. The slight potency increase of the later does not make up for the need to use Suiton elsewhere in the rotation rather than an extra Raiton.

[Arkenne]

Raiton - Kassatsu - Ten Chi Jin - Fuma - Raiton - Suiton - Trick. As it stands #2 is the winner.

Even worse, I believe:
Since Ten Chi Jin requires 80 Ninki which most likely we will rarely have outside of dungeon bosses. Relying on it for a consistent opener seems iffy.
And the skill itself says to renew the next 2 Ninjutsus, but what happens if Ninjutsu's timer was at 0 when you use it?
Do we have to wait for Ninjutsu to come back to 0 and wait in the NIN leylines like sitting ducks?
Or will the timer go back to 0 and count it as a refresh so we can only use Shuriken > Raiton/Katon/Hyuton??

Ninja seems to be one of the least changed classes.

I have mixed feelings about this.
While its true that the changes result in an over all increase. The NIN core rotation got changed in a way that looks forever-halone-PLD-like.
It changed from:
MU->SF->DE->AE/AC
to:
SF->AE/AC->AE/AC->SF (or 3 SF->AE/AC->AE/AC->AE/AC->SF if you have enough SkS).

I would be cool with it if they at least kept DE animation and gave it to AE...
But hey, DwaD CD got down to 60 seconds, so it will align with TA all the time~♪ (ideally speaking).



Basically the NIN now has the GCD rotation, the Ninjutsu/TA rotation, the oGCD management and the Ninki rotation.

[SuperNoob]

1. Reduce the number gauge in 2 new skill. 80 is high.
2. Leyline should be able to use same ninjutsu... wonder why they disallow it, warrior have Triple FC...

[Arkenne]

1. Reduce the number gauge in 2 new skill. 80 is high.
2. Leyline should be able to use same ninjutsu... wonder why they disallow it, warrior have Triple FC...

Well, looking at it from another angle, it seems like Ninki is an independent rotation...
True, 80/100 Ninki per skill sounds like a lot, but actually with Huton on, we just need an uptime of 29~31 seconds with the current weapon's delays in order to fire a Ninki skill. This is without Mug.

I'm guessing the Ninki rotation will be something like Ten Chi Jin > Bhabacakra > Hellfrog > Bhabacakra > Repeat.
In essence, Ninki is an oGCD of sorts...

I still wish there were some other ways to generate Ninki tho, for example change the positional requirement for Aeolian Edge from raw potency to Ninki generation.