Ninja

[Arkenne]

They could lower the cool down for Mug so we get to use abit more.

Mug had always pissed me off, being a 90s 140 potency oGCD that happens to give you a meager heal (that one barely ever notices) or increase the drop rate of items (which one barely ever needs).
The CD time is ridiculously long.
The changes make it a tad more interesting, generating the extra 30 Ninki, but its still 90 seconds for 140 potency and... its the only one >:|

[KuroiKarasu]

I wish mug was moved down to a 60 second recast time. The fastest you can get a full ninki gauge is 27 seconds with mug included, give or take. So every 90 seconds we shave around ten seconds off building it. Seems a little low, and if it is a problem maybe it is one way they could "buff" ninja in the future if it was needed.

[Arkenne]

The fastest you can get a full ninki gauge is 27 seconds with mug included.

Actually, from 0 to 80 with Huton and Mug, its 17 (supposing you are in an uptime that long).
It only becomes better if you have an AST feeding you Arrows like no tomorrow (which I had always welcome), but I wish Skill Speed could do something to improve the situation too...

[KuroiKarasu]

I thought auto attacks were every three seconds.

[Arkenne]

I thought auto attacks were every three seconds.

You can see the auto-attack timer on your weapon's description as Delay.
Some weapons have 2.48s others 2.56s and others even 2.64s

This is affected by Huton tho, so its almost 2 seconds per Auto-Attack.

It seems like for the sake of Ninki, NINs will be forced to go for the Relic/Anima weapon of SB, since its the one with the lowest Delay.

[Arkenne]

Okay I will not call myself a math guru... but if Im right... the NIN opener for SB is ridiculously powerful... even if you start at 0 Ninki. To the point that you BETTER use that Shadewalker or you are screwed...

Disclaimer: I could (and most likely will) be totally wrong with this:

Lets say you have 0 Ninki at 2.5 GCD (0 SkS) for 2.125 GCD with Huton, using an Anima weapon with 2.48s Delay for 2.108s AutoAttacks with Huton...


Pre-fight -- Huton > Hide > Sukushi to enemy's side.
Spinning Edge > Gust Slash > Shadow Fang(Mug) [Active 6.375s, 18 Ninki + 30 from Mug]
Spinning Edge(Suiton) > Gust Slash(Kassatsu) > Aeolian Edge [Active 12.75s + 1s clip from Suiton, 66 Ninki]
Spinning Edge(TA) > Gust Slash (Duality) > Aeolian Edge(DwaD) [Active 18s, 78 Ninki]
Spinning Edge(Ten Chi Jin) > Shuriken > Raiton/Katon > Suiton/Doton > Gust Slash(Jug) > Shadow Fang... [Active 24.375s + 2.5s from delays on Ninjutsu execution, 16 Ninki aprox since Ninki doesn't increase while in Ten Chi Jin]

- You can even force some delay by inputing the Dex Pot + Shadewalker before TA...
- Total damage is about 8562 Potency considering self buffs alone (trait included).
- Shadow Fang just can't go into the TA window tho... but is a small trade off...
- If you somehow manage to start the fight with 80 Ninki it can only get more ridiculous...


Your toughts??

[Klarkus]

Your toughts??

You don't have ninja ley lines in with trick attack? It's double potency so surely that's gotta be within trick attack. I was thinking more like this.

Spinning edge > jug
Gust > pot
Shadow fang
Suiton
Spinning edge > mug+dream within
Gust > duality
Aeolian edge
Kassatsu+trick attack
Ninja ley lines
Fuma>raiton>suiton

Then go into armour crush combo. After that opener you've used everything you've got plus have at least 25s left on Hutton

Edit: I tried your opener and I only had 3 seconds left on trick attack to perform the 3 ninjutsu skills. It would be really tight but I'll give yours a go when SB hits. My skill speed is 609.

[Adelaide3]

Here goes our opener:

Huton > Hide > Suiton > Spinning Edge > Dex Potion+Mug > Gust Slash > Trick Attack+Kassatsu > Shadow Fang > Raiton > Spinning Edge > Dream within a dream+Jugulate > Gust Slash > Duality > Aeolian Edge > Bhavacakra

Save Ten Chi Jin for the second Trick Attack unless there is somehow more than one mob at the start of a boss fight then use Ten Chi Jin with Katon and Doton.

Edit. This rotation is very outdated and it wasn't ever optimall! New rotation a couple pages up.

[Arkenne]

Another opener suggestion.

Yup, I tried that opener in TA with DwaD + Duality ahead of Ten Chi Jin on purpose and ended with those 3 seconds,
I will try to get an opener the other way around, with Ten Chi Jin ahead of DwaD + Duality in TA.
I wonder how it all changes if some SkS is involved as SkS does not affect Auto Attacks but certainly can change the timing of GCDs...
I will try to emulate a 2~1.91GCD/s scenario. And another with Arrow up from the get go :v

Save Ten Chi Jin for the second Trick Attack.

Ten Chi Jin is waaaaaaaay more powerful than Bhavacakra, I would recommend against delaying it, even if you can't place it in the TA window.

Bhavacakra is 595 Potency with TA.
Ten Chi Jin(Shu Rai Sui) is 780 without TA, it gets doubled, and this isn't even considering Kassatsu (which we've yet to see if it only affects Shuriken).

Well, there is also the AoE Scenario...

[Adelaide3]

Ten Chi Jin is waaaaaaaay more powerful than Bhavacakra, I would recommend against delaying it, even if you can't place it in the TA window.

Bhavacakra is 595 Potency with TA.
Ten Chi Jin(Shu Rai Sui) is 780 without TA, it gets doubled, and this isn't even considering Kassatsu (which we've yet to see if it only affects Shuriken).

Well, there is also the AoE Scenario...

By using Ten Chi Jin right away you're losing more potencies slightly further down the rotation because you're going to clip the hell out of your GCD by using basic Suiton and suffer a potency blow by not being able to use Shuriken or Raiton. Also, by using Bhavacakra first, it'll be up again for your third Ninki gauge charge. Overall, it's going to be a Dps increase by delaying Ten Chi Jin. The trade offs to use it sooner aren't worth it.

There can possibly be a different opener from mine that uses a Kassatsu buffed Ten Chi Jin but i'm not seeing it at the moment. Oh and Kassatsu would only buff the Shuriken if it were to even work.