Ninja

[Arkenne]

Ten Chi Jin in order to apply Trick Attack which is what it's obviously meant to be used for.

I certainly can't agree with you on this... different opinions tho =-=a

We'll have to see how it scales first, as of now you need about 35 Sks in order to get a 1% GCD decrease on lvl 60.
With my MNK I went crazy and got 1199 Sks and reduced my GCDs to only 1.91 or so GCD. Its hella fun, but hardly game-breaking.

Aiming for 2 seconds sharp GCD may be a sweet spot.

[Adelaide3]

I didn't say anything about the Global Cooldown. I said what I said in conjunction with Skill Speed reducing auto attack delay which will increase Ninki gauge generation and thus making it easier to line up Ten Chi Jin in order to apply Trick Attack.

The cooldown of this ability means you can't do it with every single Trick Attack but it would be stupid not to line it up to enable as many TA's as possible. I don't think you understand how much global cooldown you'll be clipping by hard casting Suiton when Skill Speed is now our best stat since auto attacks build our Ninki gauge.

[Arkenne]

I know you didn't mention anything about GCD, yet GCD is our only tangible metric at the moment to speculate results, thats why I brought it up...

With the Anima Weapon Delay being 2.48, it is pretty much the same as a normal GCD of 2.5 seconds.
I feel like Sks will mostly be limited to how much is needed to reduce GCDs to 2 seconds anyway, given the ridiculous rates Sks scales at :/

And, nope, realistically speaking, you and I will never agree in which takes priority, if TCJ inside TA or TCJ to apply TA.

The only case I really think TCJ to apply TA makes sense is if TA has under 10s of CD, TCJ is ready and waiting for TA would result in a waste of Ninki :/
Otherwise, TCJ inside TA ftw on my case.

No longer true

[Laflama_Blanca]

The only case I really think TCJ to apply TA makes sense is if TA has under 10s of CD, TCJ is ready and waiting for TA would result in a waste of Ninki :/
Otherwise, TCJ inside TA ftw on my case.

TCJ before TA is the best case scenario and will always be stronger than TA into TCJ. I pointed this out a ways back. Using TA prior to TCJ comes at the cost of using Suiton vs Raiton, or 180 potency. This is greater than the 156 potency gain TA yields during TCJ. Additionally, this saves you from severe GCD clipping from hard casting Suiton, and yields an additional ~3 seconds of TA vulnerability not wasted during TCJ.

However, we still need to be using TA and TCJ on cooldown, so this won't benefit us much in practice. Respective cooldowns of 60 and 100 seconds make it so we can't align them in this way throughout the rotation. But as Adelaide said, we should take advantage of TCJ into TA whenever possible. Why waste the free Suiton effect and give up a Raiton?

[Arkenne]

Suiton vs Raiton, 180 potency. greater than the 156 potency

O.M.G.

I can't believe you had to literally slap me with this for me to finally get it...

True, a difference of 24 potency... damn it...

brb, killing myself.

So this technically means that TA would be used not at 10 but at 20 seconds in the opener if Ninki is at 0?
Thats a 30 seconds opener there and I'm not so sure many enemies will stay still for that long...

In a way an opener with TCJ inside TA still sounds appealing to me given that its only 23 seconds in comparison (and aligns DwaD with TA without delays) :/

About the alignment, there is a high chance that the 2nd TCJ, if it were to happen, would align with another TA, since TA is only gated behind Suiton and its own CD, while TCJ is gated behind its own CD, and the Ninki bar, which is also gated behind our own uptime besides the opponent. This easily could delay the Ninki gauge fill up in 10 seconds in some fights (which could lead to a TCJ > TA case).

[Laflama_Blanca]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to come off as harsh.

The opener discussion is still very much open to debate and not as clear cut as 3.0, when your main decision was saving kassatsu for an early AOE phase or not. The trick after TCJ opener I proposed yields the highest PPS (I believe) but comes at the cost of delaying skills. I certainly understand how getting trick off sooner may wind up being worth the personal dps loss, and TCJ cannot be used during a movement phase so that must be accounted for as well. It'll be fun min maxing the opener and cooldown timers towards specific fights.

[Arkenne]

Oh, no you didn't come off as harsh at all, so no worries about that.
Its just something I recognize was coming from way back and I was just a blockhead for not realizing it before.


Now that I'm clear into the point that TCJ is stronger in order to bring up TA I can tell that...
Yep, for the opener I still wanna use TCJ inside TA...

Thing is that I really don't wanna delay either TA or leave DwaD outside of it. Since leaving DwaD out means a 45points loss and delaying it is out of the question... same story for Duality and its 68 points from AE :/

[SuperNoob]

I would do something like

Fuma/raiton-> tcj -> fuma,raiton,suiton -> true north+potion -> trick Attack -> kassastsu -> raiton.

[Adelaide3]

Arkenne: Yep, for the opener I still wanna use TCJ inside TA...

Thing is that I really don't wanna delay either TA or leave DwaD outside of it. Since leaving DwaD out means a 45points loss and delaying it is out of the question... same story for Duality and its 68 points from AE :/

Suiton>SE>Mug>GS>Kass>SF>Jug>SE>Potion>GS>TA+Duality>AE>Raiton>SE>DwaD>GS>Ten Chi Jin>AE (Shuriken and Raiton[TJC] should fit into TA)

Or SE>DwaD>GS>Bhavacakra>AE (everything should fit into TA)

This is just guesswork now and a simple outline that shouldn't need too much changes once we get to test everything at level 70. It's also the outline that you came up with, I just took it and moved things around. It was when I was wanting to do Bhavacakra in an opener but now i'm more open minded and whichever to use first should be situational.

I'm guessing Ninki generation in relation to our GCD shouldn't vary too greatly so maybe it's still 8 GCD with a 2s GCD SkS build = 50 Ninki but I could be super wrong.

[Shadowlink]

Dripping Blades II the passiv posion says Increases damage dealt via actions by 20%, but if im not mistake it doesnt increase the damage of magic attacks.
The German translation says it only increases physical damage of actions not event auto attacks.
Testing on the Trainigdummy and yeah seems like the German one is right. :/