PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[akaneakki]

Oh, I am the same way. .

Ive done few dunscaiths where people die insanly a lot for no reason. I have my limits too sadly, because being dead all the time wont help me or the team.

[HakuroDK]

I believe in the ABCs of playing any type of Casting class: "Always. Be. Casting."

Right now, that's hard because Cleric Stance dancing can screw people up, so I'm usually lenient with that. But once Stormblood comes around, every healer should be constantly casting. If you need to use an instant-cast GCD spell, use that time to also do oGCD abilities.

It will take practice, but I am confident that every single healer, in Stormblood, that wants to be a good healer will be a good healer.

[Silverquick]

DRG AoE or even MNK isn't good as SMN aoe yes, however.... you talk like DRG is bad on AoE, when it's not.

Definitely agree,
I know all my DPS partners are fully capable of putting out a lot of DPS. DRG is one of my favorite partners because their Single Target damage is outstanding and we cover each other well, and Geir, Dragon Dive, and Doom Spike (AoEs) alone are more than enough to pull their weight for me as a SMN to ply my trade on AoEs and not have to do all the work.

The topic is about healer DPS and some people, like yourself mentioned that healers only gets told to DPS because the actuall DPS is low.

Actually the person you quoting was right... Having been there with DPS that actually DO play their character and DO pull their own weight, you still buzz through the dungeon so fast healer DPS isn't even needed.

I said previously a couple pages back... healer DPS is helpful... but as to how actually helpful it is... depends entirely on how bad the DPS's in your group are. Two good DPS's will completely negate you.

If you have two good DPS players who know their jobs... no its not even necessary for the healer to DPS at all... you cruise through the instance so fast its not even a factor.

Healer DPS is helpful... but as to how helpful it ACTUALLY is... is entirely dependent upon how good or crappy the DPS's in your group actually are.

[dlgc]

I really don't see the merit of arguing if healers should/should not be dd-ing in party/raid/etc.

Any healers(new players/new healers/players with limitations beyond their control notwithstanding) who consciously choose not to contribute to the overall damage output, despite having more than ample time(for example, periods when no healing is needed) to do so, need to step aside, and let people who are willing to use the class to its fullest potential to take your place.

Cheers,
D.

[akaneakki]

the person you quoting was right... Having been there with DPS that actually DO play their character and DO pull their own weight

This can be discussed really. Even if/when both dps are doing great I still wont go off cleric. Everything that helps killing things faster will still be faster. If I do 2 holy that wont change the fact I stunned them twice and that alone is mitigation. If I'm a sch doing dots on adds that dies fast sucks but they still help. Shadowflare helps too for the sake of 20% slower attacks from adds. Lets say I did a9s with a propper SMN, the adds would die super fast. However if I do holy on them they die even faster that makes the other DPS focus more on the boss to kill it even faster. My job as a healer isn't only healing, its mitigation as well. Doing holy is an amazing mitigation itself, just like using shadowflare on SCH, putting some dots up doesn't take long. I've done so many dungeons as SCH where I cast only adlo before add and boss pull, even before the tank buster if I know the tank wont use his cooldown. If I had 2 amazing smns in a expert roulette and I went WHM, I still would holy. The fact I stun the adds 2 times (5 seconds or so on first and 3 on second) is alone NO DMG on the tank for nearly 8 seconds. That's like using hallowed ground on PLD. The best part is the adds dies so fast there is almost no need to pop a cooldown there and just go DPS stance on boss as tank and use them there.

[Jazmyn]

So... I had a really snarky reply to some of the elitist posters, but changed my mind because honestly I think some of them are just trolling. Plain and simple fact if you don't like playing with casual players find a new game. Have a awesome day!!!

[Taika]

So... I had a really snarky reply to some of the elitist posters, but changed my mind because honestly I think some of them are just trolling. Plain and simple fact if you don't like playing with casual players find a new game. Have a awesome day!!!

I don't think anyone here has said or expressed they don't like playing with casual players. On the contrary, many have said that they appreciate performance that is far from optimal as long as the player is actively participating and putting in some effort.

Unless you see someone who's half afk as your definition of a "casual player", in which case I think you're very much underrating casual players.

[bounddreamer]

So... I had a really snarky reply to some of the elitist posters, but changed my mind because honestly I think some of them are just trolling. Plain and simple fact if you don't like playing with casual players find a new game. Have a awesome day!!!

Asking players to add dots instead of just standing around isn't elitism.

[SpookyGhost]

So... I had a really snarky reply to some of the elitist posters, but changed my mind because honestly I think some of them are just trolling. Plain and simple fact if you don't like playing with casual players find a new game. Have a awesome day!!!

I know a ton of casual healers who DPS. Being a casual and being bad are, surprisingly, not synonymous. If you are just starting out and don't know what's going on, then that's perfectly fine. If you're level 60/70, you should probably have some awareness by then of how the skills they gave you work and how bosses in this game work. It genuinely blows my mind that anyone, at all, can reach level cap and not realize they can DPS as a healer. The MSQ has instanced solo bits that you have to DPS in, the Novice Hall tells you that you can contribute DPS, it's literally all over the place and yet people just block it out because they played another MMO where healers only healed. The fact that anyone is arguing against DPSing as a healer is seriously mind-boggling, I genuinely can not wrap my head around it.

It'd be different, right, if people were like "well, when someone's new to the game or learning a fight, they should concentrate on healing and forego DPS". But that's not what they're saying. They're saying "don't DPS at all, it's not a healer's job". It is a healer's job! You have buttons that do damage! Even if you want to argue it's not a part of your role as a healer, it's a part of your job as a WHM/SCH/AST! How does this happen? How? Do people not realize that every boss ever is scripted? Is that it? Are they constantly standing around out of fear that if they were to press a GCD of DPS that the boss might suddenly do a huge tank buster or raid-wide AOE? Is that the problem?

It's... I just... I don't know. I don't get it.

[Zojha]

Unless you see someone who's half afk as your definition of a "casual player", in which case I think you're very much underrating casual players.

Well, the term "casual" derives from latin/french and means "By Chance".

So you could make the claim that a casual player is a player that presses buttons by chance, so either random buttons or buttons at a random time. It could also refer to a player that simply plays the game at random times, which would say nothing about the playstyle while playing.

That said...uh... I personally wouldn't exactly want to play with players that fall under the former interpretations >.> The latter is fine.