PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

... congratulations. You just proved you have absolutely no idea how damage works in this game. That is a proper rotation for Dragoons when AoEing down trash. There is literally nothing else they can do. A healer simply has a significantly higher burst, however their damage may fluctuate due to healing requirements.

I know that's the proper DRG AoE rotation. I do know how to play every job I have at 60, after all. My question is, when an instance is AoE heavy, why are you taking a dead weight like a melee class instead of something that actually thrives in those AoE situations and still deals high single target dps? The dragoon is literally just dead weight in AoE.

[Oscura]

I know that's the proper DRG AoE rotation. I do know how to play every job I have at 60, after all. My question is, when an instance is AoE heavy, why are you taking a dead weight like a melee class instead of something that actually thrives in those AoE situations and still deals high single target dps? The dragoon is literally just dead weight in AoE.

Arguably, almost every 60 instance in the game is AoE heavy. Add phase in Zurvan EX requires proper ability to burn down AoE. Add phase in a12s requires proper AoE to burn down some trash. Both phases also mix single target as you also mentioned. Let's also not forget that when people run dungeons, tanks often will pull large groups that demand proper AoEing in order to kill the group sufficiently and move on.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I know that's the proper DRG AoE rotation. I do know how to play every job I have at 60, after all. My question is, when an instance is AoE heavy, why are you taking a dead weight like a melee class instead of something that actually thrives in those AoE situations and still deals high single target dps? The dragoon is literally just dead weight in AoE.

You are trying to draw a correlation where there isn't one. They aren't dead weight and you know it. Melee DPS are better for bosses and can pull comparable damage is large enough pulls, it just takes them longer than more dedicated aoe jobs. Regardless, they are contributing. A healer who only wants to heal will spend upwards of 80% of a dungeon being useless as Taika's video showed. Before anyone mentions it, yes, there are plenty of scenarios where you'll have awful players and need to baby them. No one believes healers should DPS above all else. You adjust based on the situation. I have healed wonderful tanks who needed little more than Regen and I've healed tanks at ilvl 235 who don't use cooldowns. Both times I still managed to do damage, albeit less when the circumstances weren't ideal. That is all anyone here is asking for; a willingness to contribute.

[Faliandra]

Dragoon...dead weight...in AoE?

Whaaaa...?


Why am I still reading on these forums?


I mean, yeah, theres better classes for AoE but.....seriously?

[akaneakki]

I know that's the proper DRG AoE rotation. I do know how to play every job I have at 60, after all. My question is, when an instance is AoE heavy, why are you taking a dead weight like a melee class instead of something that actually thrives in those AoE situations and still deals high single target dps? The dragoon is literally just dead weight in AoE.

What? You clearly don't then. I've had very fast runs with double melees who know how to play. And if you say DRG is dead weight on AoE, then you simply have no clue then. Geirskogul x2 on 12s trash for example and some doom spike is amazing.

[Faliandra]

we can summarize this as:

there is absolutely NO dead weight class for AoE, only bad players who dont know what theyre doing.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

What? You clearly don't then. I've had very fast runs with double melees who know how to play. And if you say DRG is dead weight on AoE, then you simply have no clue then. Geirskogul x2 on 12s trash for example and some doom spike is amazing.

So why take a dragoon for an AoE heavy run over a job actually designed to actually excel in both AoE and single target damage, rather than a class with limited resources and that will need pauses between pulls to Regen more tp?

[KarstenS]

If they respond with anything along the lines of "I don't dps because I'm a healer lulz." go ahead and kick.

Depends on the group.

As we have a long cooldown on kicking someone, I would kick a bad DPS over a bad healer, as the possible gain is much higher.

In regular instances? There are only 2 types of players I do kick:

1. People that are flaming like hell.
2. People that are AFK or offline.

Other reasons are just entitlement and without any other (and better) reputation as I can see in your profile, you are not in the position to judge over others.

[akaneakki]

So why take a dragoon for an AoE heavy run over a job actually designed to actually excel in both AoE and single target damage, rather than a class with limited resources and that will need pauses between pulls to Regen more tp?

DRG AoE or even MNK isn't good as SMN aoe yes, however.... you talk like DRG is bad on AoE, when it's not. The topic is about healer DPS and some people, like yourself mentioned that healers only gets told to DPS because the actuall DPS is low. You mentioned DRG being a bad DPS in terms of AoE, and I don't agree. Yes it might not be the most powerful but then again I've seen really good DRG's and MNk's dishing out more DPS than SMN's and BLM's. And aren't those jobs supposed to be heavy on AoE? It all comes to the player and you think the job itself will make a player do good AoE, just as proclaimed healer only people will only heal, but once the other healer in the same group start dpsing the group dies due to lack of heal. 99% Of the content doesn't require both healers healing at the same time and I talk most of the time, not all the time.

To answer your question, we talk about duty finders, you don't really get the chance to choose which jobs you end up with. But I rather take a great DRG over a bad SMN and BLM anyday.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

How I feel about healers and DPSing