PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Miste]

I seen a i270 brd with a i275 weapon pulling 1200 DPS on aoe (healer can hit 2000-2600 depending on what pull you are talking about) no idea what single target bosses was didn't get to see the meter for bosses, but point is, saying you held hate off a brd like that may not be saying much. For BLM I am not sure, my friend releases thunderclouds like mad and tanked before off it. But blm aoe is not very big, now if you held off hate like that with a good SMN, then that is worth noting.

The WHM was also Holy spamming some and I still held hate and it was more of the point that yes you could do that since many people in the thread seem to think PLD can't hold hate with only flash. I don't know about your BLM friend, but my BLM AoE in Experts pulls good numbers and I personally tend to take hate from lower geared or inexperienced tanks.

Expecting to come across top tier DPS in DF is pretty out there as well so I am willing to bet PLD could just spam only flash and hold hate on trash pulls against 80% of DPS and healers you get in DF if the PLD was decently geared.

But I accept the challenge and I will try to do the same thing but with a high DPS SMN when I have time, but still doesn't mean much because PLD could still just flash and use cooldowns and /dance waiting for mobs to die every time you don't have a good SMN in the party? I mean...that doesn't really stop my point since only one DPS job out of seven can ruin the PLD's less contributing play style.

My apologies I may have quoted the wrong post on that.

That said... my point about the DPS problems have nothing to do with healers, is dead on.

DPS needs to be called out more often, rather than blaming it on the healers.

No problem.

I don't think most people are blaming healers for slow DPS....at least for me it is more of a "everyone should do everything they are capable of to help the team" which is why I always add DPS as a healer in content. I can offer the extra DPS for my team so I do that because I know it helps everyone.

I never harass any healers who don't DPS though, but with healer DPS going off of MND now it will be way safer for healers to toss out some DPS spells here and there to help out their team so I think I can see it as a good change since there isn't much reason not to throw out some DoTs or a Holy/Gravity or two since you can immediately start healing right away and not worry about Cleric messing you up.

[Aquaslash]

. Act all high and mighty, and its gonna get right back at you.

I'm sure it will someday, but it damn sure wasn't today.

As for the rest of these posts, the point is that people want to see EFFORT. Nobody's expecting big dicl numbers, especially out of DF of all things. However, you're generally supposed to ASK for a sherpa instead of being lazy and trying to get a free carry.

There's also a thing called context. If you're brand new to an instance, nobody's gonna be mad at you for trying to feel it out. Even if you end up the worst at your role, most will forgive if it looks like you tried. I think that's all anyone's asking

[Ama_Hamada]

The WHM was also Holy spamming some and I still held hate and it was more of the point that yes you could do that since many people in the thread seem to think PLD can't hold hate with only flash. I don't know about your BLM friend, but my BLM AoE in Experts pulls good numbers and I personally tend totake hate from lower geared or inexperienced tanks.

Expecting to come across top tier DPS in DF is pretty out there as well so I am willing to bet PLD could just spam only flash and hold hate on trash pulls against 80% of DPS and healers you get in DF if the PLD was decently geared.

But I accept the challenge and I will try to do the same thing but with a high DPS SMN when I have time, but still doesn't mean much because PLD could still just flash and use cooldowns and /dance waiting for mobs to die every time you don't have a good SMN in the party? I mean...that doesn't really stop my point since only one DPS job out of seven can ruin the PLD's less contributing play style.




No problem.

I don't think most people are blaming healers for slow DPS....at least for me it is more of a "everyone should do everything they are capable of to help the team" which is why I always add DPS as a healer in content. I can offer the extra DPS for my team so I do that because I know it helps everyone.

I never harass any healers who don't DPS though, but with healer DPS going off of MND now it will be way safer for healers to toss out some DPS spells here and there to help out their team so I think I can see it as a good change since there isn't much reason not to throw out some DoTs or a Holy/Gravity or two since you can immediately start healing right away and not worry about Cleric messing you up.

OFC BLM can pull hate off mediocre or inexperienced tanks, but the thing is, can a PLD hold hate with only flash off good SMN? I am not sure what else has high AoE hate grabbing but I do not think blm is really up there, you need find really good players for that.

Highest meter I seen on a SMN is 8900 DPS off AoE, highest blm is 4200? something in the 4000s for AoE and brd , i seen in the 6000's with a bad nin. So when I see a brd in i270/275 relic doing 1200, it can really show how big skill gap is

[Groundhog009]

I dont care about that changes. lol

I still WONT dps when I play as HEALER in dungeons groups!

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

AsahinaMyLove, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

And yet their carrying the DPS can't clear a dps check without their assistance, which is effectively what the community wants in the first place. People don't push for the dps to get better at all from what I've seen, preferring to instead berate the healer for not dpsing when the issue is the dragoon spamming CT combo without putting up HT and ignoring BotD.

Let's do some math, shall we?

Aero III + Assize + Holy x4 = 1,570 total potency on six targets
Heavy Thrust + Doom Spike x5 = 970 total potency on six targets

Keep in mind, Assize is off the GCD and you can Swiftcast Aero III and/or use Presence of Mind. Regardless, A White Mage deals nearly double the overall potency of a Dragoon regardless of gear disparity. So what exactly is the Dragoon supposed to do here; pull 1,000 DPS out of their butt? This idea people wanting healers to DPS just to carry the actual dedicated is moronic. No, they want healers DPSing because of the sheer amount of damage they inflict on large pulls.

[LunaFaye]

So what exactly is the Dragoon supposed to do here; pull 1,000 out of their butt?

open up a petition to be able to cross class cure/physick
play the healer role for that run and let the whm actually dps?

I don't know but I mean that would be one possible answer right?

Or since we are already at it, we could just kick the drg for dealing less dmg then the actual healer, have the healer just heal but make every 60 sec's the remark that their dps is much higher then the actual dps's. Piss off everybody else in the group, just because you can deal better dmg doesn't mean that you need too, and call it a day?

Works on the forums too lol

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Snip.

Well, TBH I'd just kick the dragoon in the first place. That's kind of the essence of being carried, and if he can't put up comparable dps... well, I have better things to do than deal with a weak melee deeps.

[Oscura]

Well, TBH I'd just kick the dragoon in the first place. That's kind of the essence of being carried, and if he can't put up comparable dps... well, I have better things to do than deal with a weak melee deeps.

Did you even read this post before you made it or do you not know the meaning of your own words?

[kattzkitti]

Let's do some math, shall we?

Aero III + Assize + Holy x4 = 1,570 total potency on six targets
Heavy Thrust + Doom Spike x5 = 970 total potency on six targets

Keep in mind, Assize is off the GCD and you can Swiftcast Aero III and/or use Presence of Mind. Regardless, A White Mage deals nearly double the overall potency of a Dragoon regardless of gear disparity. So what exactly is the Dragoon supposed to do here; pull 1,000 DPS out of their butt? This idea people wanting healers to DPS just to carry the actual dedicated is moronic. No, they want healers DPSing because of the sheer amount of damage they inflict on large pulls.

Let's just ignore that Holy has percentile damage falloff per additional target, whereas Doom Spike does full damage to every target hit. Also, your math is incorrect. The actual values are 1,270 for WHM and 1,090 for DRG. However, that's also pointless comparison since the DRG is going to be using cooldowns, which will greatly increase that number and easily surpass the WHM.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Did you even read this post before you made it or do you not know the meaning of your own words?

Oh, I read his post. The point is, why would i waste a party slot on a melee in an AoE heavy encounter when ranged or spell casters would be a far wiser and better choice?