PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Seoulstar]

To the people defending the "no DPS since I'm a healer" stance, I just hope that, someday, you group with a summoner, you die, and then, when asking for him to raise you, he goes "Sorry, I play a dps to dps, not heal or do a healer's job."

Healing might be your MAIN role, but it's not your ONLY role.

Just like bards and mechs, summoners and ninjas with their goad, your main function might be to keep everyone alive, but you can do other stuff to help your group.

Do you realize how terrible of an example that is..I will explain it to you and before you assume I am one of the healers that don't like to DPS. I'm not, I DPS whenever possible. Anyways, this is why that is a terrible example. A healer dpsing will not significantly impact the run. A SMN with the attitude you're hoping for would directly result in the party wiping because they don't want to revive the person that is keeping everyone alive.

[MomomiMomi]

Do you realize how terrible of an example that is..I will explain it to you and before you assume I am one of the healers that don't like to DPS. I'm not, I DPS whenever possible. Anyways, this is why that is a terrible example. A healer dpsing will not significantly impact the run. A SMN with the attitude you're hoping for would directly result in the party wiping because they don't want to revive the person that is keeping everyone alive.

Then the healer shouldn't have died. If there was a different dps other than SMN then you wouldn't have gotten revived anyway.

[Seoulstar]

Then the healer shouldn't have died.

You need to think outside the box. Different factors can result in someone's death. A lot of times i've watched someone else careless mistake result in a healers or just another party member in general death.

[MomomiMomi]

You need to think outside the box. Different factors can result in someone's death. A lot of times i've watched someone else careless mistake result in a healers or just another party member in general death.

Still not the SMN's fault though. It's a poor attitude no matter what your job is and no matter what the consequences. And that's what is being compared here, the attitude. "I don't dps because I play healer to heal" is just not a good attitude to have on your team.

[ValarianHeartbreaker]

Do you realize how terrible of an example that is..I will explain it to you and before you assume I am one of the healers that don't like to DPS. I'm not, I DPS whenever possible. Anyways, this is why that is a terrible example. A healer dpsing will not significantly impact the run. A SMN with the attitude you're hoping for would directly result in the party wiping because they don't want to revive the person that is keeping everyone alive.

It's still the same PRINCIPLE.

[Seoulstar]

Still not the SMN's fault though. It's a poor attitude no matter what your job is and no matter what the consequences. And that's what is being compared here, the attitude. "I don't dps because I play healer to heal" is just not a good attitude to have on your team.

It's not a good attitude I agree. But one has way bigger consequences than the other. One has the consequence of you having to restart. The other is just people finding you an annoyance and a minor one at that.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Yes, yes! Push the healer must dps meta! I like being able to relax and take screenshots mid fight. ouo

This is not true, these are two entirely separate issues. No one is saying healers should DPS to cover DDs' slack. What's being said is that healers should DPS because otherwise they're being much less inactive than any other roles (a healer can get by casting 1 heal every 20 seconds while tanks and DDs are using all of their GCDs - and then some).

Factually incorrect. Dps have no responsibility in this game because healers are so happy to carry them. If what you're saying was true, people would actually be pushing for the dps to be better instead of demanding healers carry them. Trying to say otherwise stinks of hypocrisy.

[Seoulstar]

It's still the same PRINCIPLE.

It's a terrible way to try to make a point. There are better ways in trying to get a point off than explaining two situation that are similar but vastly different outcomes.

[Fyce]

1. Perhaps that's a sign that healing spells should be more interesting than just "single target", "stronger single target", "aoe". Considering other game devs have managed to come up with more complicated designs, I think we can stand to expect more from SE.

2. You don't heal in a vacuum. Good, complex boss mechanics make even the simplest healing fun.

1. You said that you wanted to do more healing to the point where you cannot stop casting healing spells or your party dies. There's no way to make that "interesting" in FFXIV. You're bound to be pushing a few set of "core healing skills" all day, just like everyone else. That's how the game works.
Of course, you have some buffs and oGCD that can help breaking the monotony, but that's pretty much it. Even if you do a combo system like the other job have, like cast Cure, combo with Cura, then Curaga or whatnot (hello overhealing), you'd still be doing a 1, 2, 3 combo all day long. Not mentioning that Scholar can pretty much be deleted from the game, or completly reworked, because once shields are applied, there's nothing much to do.

2. There isn't much type of damage to heal... Tank AA, Tank busters, Raid AoE, and DoTs. Oh and esuna some debuffs too. No matter how you look at it, every fight is like that. Damage is damage. You shield people from it, and then you heal what has to be healed.

3. My own addition. This is Final Fantasy. White mages, the "default healer", the most vanilla one, has one of the most powerful spell in the franchise: Holy. Since Final Fantasy I, White mages are doing damage through white magic. White magic isn't only healing spells. You should have a look at the lore book some day, to understand what white magic has to offer, at least in the lore of FFXIV. I mean... the conjurer quest line is all about that.
Healers, in FFXIV, always had quite a bunch of DPS skills. Scholar even comes from Arcanist ffs. That's how healing works in this game. There's no "I picked healer so I'll only heal!". That's not how it was designed. It's not because some other game have healers doing 100% healing that it must be the same in every other game.
In short terms, healing, in FFXIV, includes damage spells, and using them is part of the role. Going againt that is going against the core design of the healer role in FFXIV. Like BLM going "ice mages", that's now how they are supposed to work.

I understand that some people want to be like Sylphie, and only be casting healing spells. But that's not how it's done in FFXIV. That's all. And this thread is here to remind people about that fact.

[Faliandra]

A healer dpsing will not significantly impact the run. .

Again this?

I outdps dps classes every day on my healers. You can do LOTS AND LOOOOTS of dps on big pulls. Do me one favor:

If you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, then...just DONT.

Thanks.



edit: im sorry if im coming off as agressive,but honestly...this is so annoying to see how people are constantly underestimating a healer's dps potential...