PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Tobalito]

I don't think the lead developer would even bother creating more damage-making abilities for the healers if he truly felt that it wasn't necessary. He would just double down on all healing abilities. To be honest, they wouldn't even care to make healing damage be based on MND if they didn't care about healers doing damage. That doesn't make any sense.


And I don't fault you for wanting to just be healer. But if you are the healer in the dungeon, the tank is doing everything they can to mitigate damage so its easier on you, the dps is doing their rotations perfectly to maximize their damage so that the dungeon goes faster and putting much less stress on you as the healer, and you can't even do something so simple as throwing out some dots with a couple of Stone IV's during your down time? The game has made even easier for you to do such a thing, and yet you still refuse?

If that's you, you are doing your party a great disservice. The skill set is right there, the buttons are on your hotbar, and you'd rather use 60% of your overall capabilities. That's just lazy.

I love doing dps as a healer, I absolutely love it and I find it a lot of fun. I am merely stating that it is my choice, and I do it very well. That may not be every player and I don't think they should be called out if they did their role well as is. Honestly healers getting more dps abilities sounds perfectly reasonable. Stronger mobs for leveling purposes require a stronger hitting spell, especially coming from 2.0 to HW. We will need to see what kind of DPS abilities they get for Stormblood but seeing as how with the upgrade of spells they may get something extra to balance out losing a spell in the first place. we will have to see how it plays out.

[RaijinSupreme]

I know the benefits of it seeing as I did it all the time back when I was spamming ARF for my relic. My point here is that I don't see much point in me just spamming holy all throughout the dungeon while occasionally throwing out a heal. Yes I think that's not much more than being a half assed DPS. Power to you if you like that, but I'm tired of it. If I'm going to have to do that even MORE now, I figure I might as well do it full time on a job that does it a lot better, and SAM looked like a blast to play from the live letter.

I mean if you see yourself as a dps rather than healer, then I'm all for you switching. Healers should want to heal FIRST, but should also be willing to use the rest of their skill set as well.

[ToasterMan]

Half assed?!? What even???? Do you even know how much damage a whm can put out with holy spam and assize??? They are almost on par with SMNs!!!

What I mean is, I don't find it that entertaining to just sit there and spam one button throughout the dungeon.

I know Holy spam is great numbers wise. That isn't my point. If I'm going to be DPS throughout most of the dungeon, I might as well do it on a Job were I'm achieving the same thing as WHM and is more built for DPS. Like you said, SMN.

[LalaRu]

I find it funny that you jump at my throat...

I didn't. In the quote, had carefully removed your name and post link, to make my answer much more generic. Did also used "whoever" instead of "If you", and used "you" as plural everywhere. Maybe it was not sufficient to make clear there were nothing against "Chessala". Sorry if you got that impression but not intended. Hope that clears this up too.

[BorisDaBlade]

I'm going to run an experiment. For 5 ex roulettes, I'm only going to heal since that's the job I queue for. Then for the next 5, I'm going to strickly dps using no gcd heals because that's what the "community" wants. I'll record which ones I get kicked from.

[akaneakki]

What I mean is, I don't find it that entertaining to just sit there and spam one button throughout the dungeon.

I know Holy spam is great numbers wise. That isn't my point. If I'm going to be DPS throughout most of the dungeon, I might as well do it on a Job were I'm achieving the same thing as WHM and is more built for DPS. Like you said, SMN.

Irony right there. Most healers who doesn't dps actually just hit 1 button most of the time lol.

[Tsumdere]

I'm going to run an experiment. For 5 ex roulettes, I'm only going to heal since that's the job I queue for. Then for the next 5, I'm going to strickly dps using no gcd heals because that's what the "community" wants. I'll record which ones I get kicked from.

No one said they wanted healers to not heal. Not a single person.

[bounddreamer]

I'm going to run an experiment. For 5 ex roulettes, I'm only going to heal since that's the job I queue for. Then for the next 5, I'm going to strickly dps using no gcd heals because that's what the "community" wants. I'll record which ones I get kicked from.

Not a good test. What the community wants is a healer who meets the minimal healing requirements while adding dps in low to no healing intensity windows.

A better test would be 5 roulette with only heals, and 5 roulettes with added dps while keeping everyone healthy, then see how many comms you get for each set respectively.

[Raim]

I'm going to run an experiment. For 5 ex roulettes, I'm only going to heal since that's the job I queue for. Then for the next 5, I'm going to strickly dps using no gcd heals because that's what the "community" wants. I'll record which ones I get kicked from.

As long as you don't let people die I don't care how you heal. If you start not healing you'll get the boot all the same.

[Celef]

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I actually did not know about that, thank you for the info ^^

FINALLY no more bugs with cleric stance refusing to activate / desactivate Y.Y