PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Faliandra]

I dont care about that changes. lol

I still WONT dps when I play as HEALER in dungeons groups!

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

so you think comparing one job that requires you to be 20% active (heal) to a job that nearly requires 100% uptime (dps) is fair?

You throwing a heal every 20 seconds is the same as a dps pushing 1 button every 20 seconds.

You're the same as all these bards and machnists who refuse to use their support cos "lol im a dps,not a support" or tanks who dont use their self-heals or defensive cooldowns.

You're not ´having 2 jobs, you're playing 1 job class who happens to be hybrid, so the distribution of offensive and defensive spells isnt always equal, but ultimately, you still have 1
job just like everyone else. and your job asks you to make use of your full tool kit.


What I hate most about this attitude is that you wont even try. Youre just like "yeah but im a healer".
Its actually super fun and satisfying to dish out dps as a healer. I had to learn that too. I've been playing pure healers
for over a decade and I also didnt start this game with a "yassssss, muh deeeeeps" attitude.
But I was open to it because I wanted to be a good player.

And you know whats the funniest part? For some reason I react faster with heals than the usual heal-only co-healers I get, despite me having to turn off cleric stance etc.
I can honestly say that this game has taught me a lot about healing thanks to cleric stance that other games failed to do.

[SendohJin]

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

tanks DPS every time they do their tank combos.

DPS that that don't use support abilities are just as bad as healers that don't DPS when there's nothing else to do.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I dont care about that changes. lol

I still WONT dps when I play as HEALER in dungeons groups!

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

This makes you the toxic player. You aren't inexperienced or new, you're just stubbornly refusing to contribute and prefer to stand around doing nothing. Healers don't have "two jobs," they are hybrids. No other job can get away with literally doing nothing. Would you be okay with a Paladin who only spams Flash or a Dragoon who doesn't feel like using Blood of the Dragoon?

[Hamada]

This makes you the toxic player. You aren't inexperienced or new, you're just stubbornly refusing to contributing and prefer to stand around doing nothing. Healers don't have "two jobs," they are hybrids. No other job can get away with literally doing nothing. Would you be okay with a Paladin who only spams Flash or a Dragoon who doesn't feel like using Blood of the Dragoon?

Agreed and willing to kick.

... I was being facetious.

I know but made for a funny story in that thread

[Keikun]

I dont care about that changes. lol

I still WONT dps when I play as HEALER in dungeons groups!

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

I second this, you are one of the very few smart people around here and thats gonna make people mad.

[Aquaslash]

I dont care about that changes. lol

I still WONT dps when I play as HEALER in dungeons groups!

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

Do us a favor and stick to botany

[Averax]

I dont care about that changes. lol

I still WONT dps when I play as HEALER in dungeons groups!

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

Actually, tanks have to fulfill two roles in larger group content too. Main tank, generates aggro. Off tank, DPS.

And BRD and MCH have secondary roles as well, providing support. Summoners are like the designated rez to save the healers MP.

If you want to be lazy and stand there waiting for damage, and make your runs take longer, by all means do it. But don't expect people to just put up with it because you're too stubborn to press an extra couple buttons in your downtime. If kicks come your way, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

[Seoulstar]

Actually, tanks have to fulfill two roles in larger group content too. Main tank, generates aggro. Off tank, DPS.

And BRD and MCH have secondary roles as well, providing support. Summoners are like the designated rez to save the healers MP.

If you want to be lazy and stand there waiting for damage, and make your runs take longer, by all means do it. But don't expect people to just put up with it because you're too stubborn to press an extra couple buttons in your downtime. If kicks come your way, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Slightly longer..it's only slightly longer. If anything, they should just focus on the healer keeping them alive. Not really care if they dps or not. And if we're going to talk about stubbornness. Let's talk about the people that are too stubborn to understand that a healer dpsing isn't really a huge deal. No matter how many times it's stated, people are too stubborn to just understand it and leave it be.

[Belhi]

Actually, tanks have to fulfill two roles in larger group content too. Main tank, generates aggro. Off tank, DPS.

And BRD and MCH have secondary roles as well, providing support. Summoners are like the designated rez to save the healers MP.

If you want to be lazy and stand there waiting for damage, and make your runs take longer, by all means do it. But don't expect people to just put up with it because you're too stubborn to press an extra couple buttons in your downtime. If kicks come your way, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

I think its more that people who chose to play healers want the focus of their gameplay to be on healing and not have it be something distracting that gets in the way of their mediocre dps rotation. The base mechanics and structure of healing in FF14 is broken and as a result your very likely to have exactly the same balance issues that happened in HW happen again. Frankly its a problem that healers have so much damn downtime, even on new content.

That is a design issue. Imagine if you only had 5 seconds in every 20 to actually dps a boss and the rest of the time you had to run backwards and forwards across a room clicking on the same two levers one after the other. That is basically what healing is becoming like. Its the reason I don't like the cleric stance removal. It at least created a sense of risk to going and running the levers(the couple of dps buttons you repetitively mash on as a healer). Now its just going to be completely monotonous when I don't actually have something to heal.

Also rubbish that DPS have two roles. They have a few utility skills that are sometimes used on the side of their actual job and most of those utilities that don't actually help with dps are not considered very valuable by most. Just look at Mantra, the strongest group healing buff a non healer could have and apparently not worth enough for people to count it as a utility when talking about MNK. I am lucky if I meet one SMN a month who actually remembers they have virus or Eye for an Eye and many BRDs don't bother to use their songs beyond Foes.

People play as healers because they want a different type of gameplay to being a dps, not because they want to be a low damage support dps. Yeah I get people get annoyed at healers who just stand there (I don't cause I would fall to sleep with nothing to do) but the flipside is they play healers to heal and if the game design isn't accommodating that then there is a question as to wether the game design is letting them down. Maybe a better question is why they have so little to heal in the first place that they spend so much time standing around.

[szalkerous]

People play as healers because they want a different type of gameplay to being a dps, not because they want to be a low damage support dps. Yeah I get people get annoyed at healers who just stand there (I don't cause I would fall to sleep with nothing to do) but the flipside is they play healers to heal and if the game design isn't accommodating that then there is a question as to wether the game design is letting them down. Maybe a better question is why they have so little to heal in the first place that they spend so much time standing around.

This is a fantastic sentiment. I often times wish, as a WHM, I had more support skills, maybe an "esuna shield" party buff that blocks one status affliction? Maybe a skill that turns DPS damage into heals on my focus target or the party? That would give incentive to DPS for sure.