PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[LadyAveria]

This is a fantastic sentiment. I often times wish, as a WHM, I had more support skills, maybe an "esuna shield" party buff that blocks one status affliction? Maybe a skill that turns DPS damage into heals on my focus target or the party? That would give incentive to DPS for sure.

I wanted the Dancer job from FF11 It seemed to have buffing party members and debuffing as abilities, I reckon we will get this job next since alongside Red Mage and Samurai it was also has been highly requested.

[LalaRu]

I wanted the Dancer job from FF11 It seemed to have buffing party members and debuffing as abilities, I reckon we will get this job next since alongside Red Mage and Samurai it was also has been highly requested.

My only concern is how bosses handles buffs/debuffs. If DNC have its strenght on them, they must be really powerful to avoid being "just" one of a million on a boss fight, and I'm now thinking if boss have so much debuffs, adding the DNC ones they will proc/stacks or being ignored at some point.

[micropanther7]

I think you just highlighted that the game mechanics for healing is broken. If a healer can solo heal A12S and still be dpsing then clearly there isn't enough healing mechanics in the game to support the game play properly.

I dps when I heal. Its boring not to. I do however have a concern that healers are moving more and more towards being support dps. At that point it begs the question why even have healers if they are just becoming support dps with extremely simplified rotations? The whole point of having a healer role is to offer an alternate type of gameplay.

Not dpsing as a healer at all is pretty wasteful but there is a point to be had when a player says they play a healer to heal. If that type of gameplay isn't being supported then the devs are falling short of the goal.

This is why I agree with people who have posted that regarding SB it would have been nice for WHM to have more utility i.e. buffs/debuffs instead of more healing spells, I would love that too. Having those kind of utility spells that contribute to DPS indirectly might make some healers more comfortable, rather than using their own direct offensive spells. I enjoy stance dancing and love to contribute to DPS, but healing is priority, if I'm new to the content I'm careful with CS. I started playing AST recently and I love the class because of the utility it brings, I'm thinking of switching to it as my main job rather than WHM.

[akaneakki]

your move.

Not sure to cry or laugh at this.

Some people who play healers are also disabled and choose healing because it is a less intensive job than most DPS jobs

Some people who plays tanks and even DPS (check link) are disabled and I highly doubt than more than 60% of the healers are disabled. I know they exist, but you act like all of them are. If I see 8 out of 10 healers standing around afk, do I believe 8 of them are disbaled? No, maybe 1.. I don't know but for sure not all 8. This is a video of a guy playing MCH disable. Link to the video Then link to reddit post he made about the game being very disabled friendly. Link While I have given you some info on this, I would like to hear from you why 8 out of 10 healers just stand around afk. Like I said, I know disabled healers exist, but I highly doubt that all 8 are disabled, so I would like some info regards that from you.

And again... nobody said 100% performance. We are asking for people to use ALL THEIR SKILLS, than using 2 or 3 of them. If I have a healer who hit stone 3 few times or holy 2-3 times, I'm completely fine with it, because they tried and they will mostlikely do it more often as more confident they get. But when you actually don't try and then say ''I'm just here to heal every 20 seconds'' says more than 1000 words and actions of what type of person you are.
Why is is such a bad thing to even try? Most people here think it's such a bad thing. I don't get it.

[Isala]

Fine. Then start holding SMNs that don't use Eye for an Eye and Virus and BRDs that don't use their songs to the same standard.

We already do. A BRD that doesn't use their songs is a wasted slot, especially in 8/24 mans. And you can't really compare a Virus/E4E to the level of support a DPSing healer supplies. Compare it instead to a SMN that won't res a dead healer, because "Muh DPS."

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Fine. Then start holding SMNs that don't use Eye for an Eye and Virus and BRDs that don't use their songs to the same standard.

Eye for an Eye =/= 800-1,100 DPS

Putting that aside, the Duty Finder thread is littered with people mocking Bards who won't sing, Ninjas not using Shade/Smoke, Black Mages not using Enochian or tanks not using cooldowns. Why is it only healers get a free pass?

The first person to call that out will find a lot of healers let them die because they were "too focused on DPSing" *smirk*.

Your move.

You realize that just gives people more motivation to kick you, yes?

[Adventica6]

You don't dps as a healer with these new changes I auto kick you, every, single, time.

Don't really have much more to say than that, is doesn't get any simpler.

[XiXiQ]

I swear some people are so obsessed with how other people are playing they have no time to ever worry about what they themselves might be doing.

[Freyt]

You don't dps as a healer with these new changes I auto kick you, every, single, time.

Don't really have much more to say than that, is doesn't get any simpler.

And if I'm tanking in your party and you kick the healer, I'll leave. Thanks for giving me a free ride out of your intolerant pug.

[Isala]

And if I'm tanking in your party and you kick the healer, I'll leave. Thanks for giving me a free ride out of your intolerant pug.

What exactly are you expecting here? "K, bye"? Cause that's about the only response you'll be getting from the group. Cause I seriously doubt a group willing to kick, and wait for a better healer will care that they have to wait for a better tank as well.