PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[SlogDog]

I knew this would happen; SE gives you no excuse not to dps now and people are already preemptively making up new excuses. Why was my enjoyment taken away for the sake of people like this? I am glad for the healers it may genuinely help but for the ones still chanting dps is optional you are spitting on my grave right now.

[Welsper59]

I knew this would happen; SE gives you no excuse not to dps now and people are already preemptively making up new excuses. Why was my enjoyment taken away for the sake of people like this? I am glad for the healers it may genuinely help but for the ones still chanting dps is optional you are spitting on my grave right now.

Please don't bring up the "optional" crap again. You are wrong in the literal sense to think it's anything but optional by design. I do share your perspective, but that is the reality of it. It's inefficient to a huge degree to not DPS, but it's still considered optional by design, which I believe was proven by Yoshi-P's own statements. So until that changes, just don't say or imply it's anything but "optional", because you'd be wrong... and that invalidates much of your argument, which is right in the context of efficiency (and non-lazy play). Basically, you're hurting the intent to get people to DPS as healers by spitting out manipulative statements.

[SlogDog]

Please don't bring up the "optional" crap again. You are wrong in the literal sense to think it's anything but optional by design. I do share your perspective, but that is the reality of it. It's inefficient to a huge degree to not DPS, but it's still considered optional by design, which I believe was proven by Yoshi-P's own statements. So until that changes, just don't say or imply it's anything but "optional", because you'd be wrong... and that invalidates much of your argument, which is right in the context of efficiency (and non-lazy play). Basically, you're hurting the intent to get people to DPS as healers by spitting out manipulative statements.

Why should i walk on eggshells? My words are true, you've admitted it, getting caught up on a particular wording is doing nothing for the state of the game. You are coddling and tip toeing like saying the wrong thing is going to turn someone off from healing all together... have you considered maybe it should? If telling people to play their job (especially now that they have a foolproof safety net set up at the expense of an already low skill ceiling) is enough to make someone stop healing so be it. Its a role that certainly could use some fat trimming as it seems to attract people looking for an easy ride as opposed to people who have an actual passion for it.

But go on, continue your "I'm looking out for the little guys" spiel. Protecting them from the truth has helped so much already.

[Welsper59]

Why should i walk on eggshells? My words are true, you've admitted it, getting caught up on a particular wording is doing nothing for the state of the game. You are coddling and tip toeing like saying the wrong thing is going to turn someone off from healing all together... have you considered maybe it should? If telling people to play their job (especially now that they have a foolproof safety net set up at the expense of an already low skill ceiling) is enough to make someone stop healing so be it. Its a role that certainly could use some fat trimming as it seems to attract people looking for an easy ride as opposed to people who have an actual passion for it.

But go on, continue your "I'm looking out for the little guys" spiel. Protecting them from the truth has helped so much already.

Damn, you take your gaming a little more seriously than the "little guys" you're referring to, as well as people like me. You might call my specific way of looking at that "coddling", but I call that "not being a sociopath". Maybe it's just me, but I don't take a little inefficiency by other players to be a sin against humanity. If simply letting someone play how they want isn't suddenly making a 10min venture turn into 1hr, I don't think there's really anything to get so upset over. For the most part, we're talking about EZ mode dungeons/raids in DF here. The sort of crap that all jobs fall asleep to. Hell, the most exciting part about them is the bad players lol.

Your reference to "passion" speaks of the player, not the role. It's the equivalent of a BRD/MCH that uses group buffs effectively (or ever at all), tanks that actually tank, healers that actually heal (I can go on a rant about that one), etc. The idea of trimming the role because of little annoyances you find of other player does more harm than good, despite them doing their primary role. Again, that's said in the context that said player isn't causing wipes or an unreasonably slow progression. I do agree in a different way though, that DPS-only healers need to be trimmed though. I've run into far too many of those types. The ones who would rather a raid wipe than them even putting out a single heal (not even for themselves).

Does it matter? Why not fix the coding instead on picking on one ability?

Because it's a business with deadlines. I'm assuming it's a matter that would (probably) require gutting a bit of the system that's why, to some degree. A lot of times that involves QA, and given our track record in general for MMOs, it's not perfect upon release. It's just a matter of priorities really, and finding what path will fix a problem to some degree, without messing up everything else. More work fixing new problems that appeared because of a new fix is one of the worst things devs have to deal with. You just wouldn't know how far the rabbit hole goes at that point. It'd be nice to fix the source problem, but I don't think anyone really sees that as a needed thing.

[SlogDog]

-Its just a game, bro
-feelings over facts
-bad players keep things interesting, i like inefficiency

Noted. Thanks for your 'input'.

[Welsper59]

Noted. Thanks for your 'input'.

Well, you certainly do a good job of asserting my "sociopath" comment. Hope it helped?

[SlogDog]

Well, you certainly do a good job of asserting my "sociopath" comment. Hope it helped?

If painting me a "sociopath" helps go ahead, would be rude of me to burst your bubble.

How about we talk about glam and housing instead? Actually playing the game to your fullest is so passe when we have fluff to distract us. The best part about glam is everyone wins so pass out them trophies, you're all mlg now.