Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[LegoTechnic]

only times i ever dps'd with WHM was during leveling and class story quests once in dungeons and raids I let you know the DPS do their job and if they couldn't and the group failed to poor dps I just /leave the instance or static until the dps become competant A healer is just that pure healing but again I guess that comes from H mode raiding in WoW for 8 years and on here before it started leaning more to casuals who cant learn their class properly huh .

Yeah, well, here's the thing about WoW. In a WoW 24-man raid when you needed seven healers then you brought seven healers, and when you only needed three of them then you only brought three and four had to sit out. You didn't have the static 2 tank/4 DPS/2 Healer party format, and sometimes you'd bring one tank and others you'd bring three of them. Even in 10-man content you only brought that 2nd tank if you needed it, and pared down to only as many healers as was required for the encounter. Raiding in most of WoW has often been an exercise in having "alts" and "player rotations" to fit the encounter, and while this eventually became more tolerable with the introduction of "multi-spec", it took many years and a couple of expansions for it to get there.

But let's talk heroic dungeons, where crowd-control was a major design focus. Trash mobs in WoW could not only wipe the party, but often had unique abilities that needed to be countered. To combat this, there were an excessive amount of creative disorient, bind, stun, trap, and polymorph effects to allow you focus on specific mobs, none of which triggered diminishing returns when used on non-players, and when it all worked well as a priest you could still squeeze in a few smites if you wanted but they did piddly damage if you were running a healer spec so no one blamed you if you didn't. That's not the case here in FFXIV though. Not only are healers equipped with potent DPS spells that aren't critically restricted by "specialization trees", but the only CC to speak of is sleep and repose, with bind and heavy occupying a gimmick tier due to dimiinishing returns. It's not the same game as WoW, and all the disadvantages inherent in healer DPS in Warcraft aren't present in the systems of FFXIV. Stone and Aero HURT in ways that shadow priests would consider acceptable, and Holy is a wonderful thing, and given encounter focus does not require constant heal attention to deny the very toolkit of the class is wasteful.

You are free to ignore your DPS toolkit, and in situations where you aren't sure the party can handle a few moments without your supervision then I strongly recommend you brace to heal, but if you are able to leverage your class ability set completely then that's just a sign of a player who knows how to get the most out of the tools he has to work with.

[Markus_Rogan]

Hey fellow WHMs. My take on Plenary Indulgence so far:

Plenary Indulgence
- Too random, not reliable.
- Rare on dungeons, almost impossible to use on trials and raids, since AoE is more common.
- I have tested it quite a lot and I'm almost sure it DOES NOT HEAL an Area of Effect. It only heals whoever has Confession stacks (horrible mechanic). I'm not 100% but it seems so. Tooltip is wrong.

Solutions:
- Allow PI to proc from any heal, though with much lower %.
- Allow Confession stacks to stay with the WHM.
- Increase Confession stack duration to 1 minute or infinite.
- Make PI an AoE heal as tooltip suggests. I'm quite sure it does not work as AoE.
- Reduce PI cooldown to 20 seconds.

Option:
- Remove Confession stacks altogether.
- PI uses Lilies; increase Lillies count from 3 to 5. Adjust CDR.
- Make PI use up to 3 Lilies (same heal potencies).
- Make Divine Benison use up to 2 Lilies (1 = 10% health shield; 2 = 20% health shield).

[Miziliti]

WHM and current Lily system isn't working at all. I'll just talk about lily for now because I'm not high enough to see confession system.

It is not the RNG that make lily system useless. It is the way to gain lily is utterly useless.
Lily is obtain by RNG through Cure 1/2. No matter how high the chance is, no one is gonna spam them like crazy. In fact cure 1+2 have very very very very very very low usage. WHM is REGEN healer. Most healings are done by regen/medica 2 and it would be enough and sometimes over the top already. One other thing is AoE heal does not gain lily!???????

So in short, cure 1/2 are useless lily generator. Cure 2 is powerful heal to use on very specific situation. I rarely use cure 2 outside of free cure if two cure 1 can solve the issue. I probably gain 1 lily from cure 2 every boss fight.

I try to get lily whenever Assize is ready, but I almost always don't have any lily available.

A gauge generator should be something we use often so we gain the energy. Giving it to cure 1/2 makes no sense at all. Why couldn't we generate lily when we use: regen, medica 1/2, stone, aero, etc. You know, something WHM uses all the time? We use it so often, and it make sense to generate lily by a certain chance.

[Ceroes]

Why couldn't we generate lily when we use: regen, medica 1/2, stone, aero, etc.[/B] You know, something WHM uses all the time? We use it so often, and it make sense to generate lily by a certain chance.

Yoshi p wants us to use cure 1/2 clearly... They wont even listen to people when they say we don't want another stone attack and so many people want a water/holy attack... They haven't shown even once that they care what the WHM mains want regardless of whether they are casual or not. anyone who's casual will want a variety of skills, and a better healing system.

They'll use every excuse they can get to ignore WHM opinions. I mean remember if you watched the letter from the producer Yoshi P said we just need to calm down because things have changed since the demo we saw... yet nothings really changed and all the skills are pretty much the same... He literally blew our concerns off I think that shows his attitude towards WHM players...

[Ceroes]

honestly yoshi p opinion is clearly conveyed in the video we dont even need the translator... doesnt wantto touch it and the hand signs....
https://youtu.be/Jx05m0c8LW4?t=2042

[Laladyn]

After playing whm at 70. I suggest 2 things,

1. Make it so it only consumes 1 lilie everytime and make it a flat 30% cdr on skill that consumed one.
2. Plenary Indulgence needs a buff. Divine Bennision stacks need to come at least at a 50% rate.

[Vayanne]

Lilies are not too bad, I can live with them. Cure II + Divine Benison is a nice combo and the reduced CD on Assize coupled with Thin Air lets me cast even more Holies. In dungeons with packs of mobs I have a blast (sorry tanks and melees, shouganai, bring sunglasses). Plenary Indulgence, on the other hand... When healing Shinryu, Divine Benison did save a few lives, Thin Air was great for intensive AoE healing but Plenary Indulgence was as reliable as a server under DDOS attacks. Level 50 gave us Benediction, level 60 gave us Tetragrammaton, and level 70 gave us... uhm... this?!?

[Rivxkobe]

before it started leaning more to casuals who cant learn their class properly huh .

The irony in this statement is too delicious to ignore.

[Rivxkobe]

Plenary Indulgence

- I have tested it quite a lot and I'm almost sure it DOES NOT HEAL an Area of Effect. It only heals whoever has Confession stacks (horrible mechanic). I'm not 100% but it seems so. Tooltip is wrong.
- Make PI an AoE heal as tooltip suggests. I'm quite sure it does not work as AoE.

It technically states that it only heals those with Confession Stacks:

Restores HP of all nearby party members. Potency varies with current Confession stack.
1 Confession: 400
2 Confessions: 500
3 Confessions: 600

...

Can only be cast when at least one party member has a Confession granted by you

This is, of course, assuming that the Tooltip ingame is the same as the one on the Official Job Guide page.

Since there is no potency with 0 stacks it is easy to ascertain that it, in fact, does not heal without Confession stacks. Also, it technically does heal in an AoE just, you know, those with stacks in the AoE are healed. So, the MT.

Its a terribly clunky spell and mechanic. It needs to be changed and it, imo, the worst change added in SB. Well this and Fey Union.

[Tridus]

Edit: Additionally, tracking multiple Confession stacks on different people is annoying because we are unable to see the duration with the party interface. And though I haven't personally ran into this yet, double WHM in DF apparently can't differentiate their own Confession stacks without having to target the individual manually.

Remember when they said they were designing all these job gauges so you wouldn't have to look at the buff bars to figure out what your skills are going to do? Whoever was designing PI and Confession stacks didn't get the memo.