Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Saraphin]

Alright, so I just finished the Main Storyline, fought the last boss...

I'll go over my thoughts on everything.

WHM on a whole is...well, i'm having mixed feelings. That is to say it's not Bad. again, i've said that.

The loss of stoneskin hurts still. especially with a lot of the massive raid wide damage going out. you need a Shielder and a full time Healer for the Primal fights. Yes, they have plenty of mechanics and one mess up can mean the end of the chance to not wipe. I'll impose greatly: a single death is really bad at this time. I've seen this from Susano'o to The final boss (spoilers, not saying :P ). I feel...bloody lacking at times. MP consumption is out the rear for these fights and even with Thin Air and Lucid Dreaming, and Assize...it never does seem like enough. This could be because of the raises that had to be done, which goes back to mechanic failures.

I want to address, more than anything: Planery Indulgence and Confession stacks. while it's a good AOE heal...i got...all of like...3 stacks total in the last boss, and that is with using Cure 1/2 like they're bloody water, popping every and all CDs to spend those lilies...

but...3 stacks, in an entire raid is Bad. yes, it's an emergency and nice heal, but...if you can't get the procs to use it, you're not getting anywhere. I used it to no end in the Level 70 MSQ dungeon. it came in handy, but that was a MUCH longer run with a lot more chances to get Confession stacks.

Solution: either up the rate in which confession stacks are given OR (and my personal thoughts on the matter) make them stack on the WHM, not the party to be a sudden snap AOE heal. Lilies and CDR...bleh, no. if SE is dead set on making WHM pump out heal numbers to high bloody heaven..then move the confession stacks and their mechanics.

[VanilleFang]

This is minor complaint but... Stone IV is really ugly and it's reminiscent of something I've seen before...

[Raminax]

Some thoughts after hitting 70 and getting a chance to try out all the max level content the game has to offer...

It feels very same old, same old. Yes, Thin Air, Assize buffs and Lucid Dreaming being a better Shroud gives you utterly absurd longevity in most cases, but I generally feel that I'm playing the same way as I did at Lvl. 60. I also ended up liking Divine Benison more than I expected. While I wouldn't call it outright better than Stoneskin, it does have its charms. My only real annoyance with it is that it requires at least a Lily, which gets on my nerves when I'm not allowed to Assize because a buster is on the way. Otherwise, overkill healing. I feel that I could solo heal the current Extremes with little issue once I'm more comfortable with the fights.

There are a few bads, though. Plenary Indulgence and Confessions are so unreliable that I don't ever consider them in my planning. The few times I do get a Confession on the tanks, I just use it as a mini-Tetra to keep DPSing a bit longer. If I'm lucky, I might get to top off a DPS for "free" after a Cure II bomb. But otherwise, I don't ever rely on it, and I feel that it's quite a shame that I feel that way about one of our new toys.

In addition, precasting Cure/Cure II as a White Mage is a nightmare. Even if you don't overheal, you don't seem to generate Lilies if you cause the Cure/Cure II to land right after a damage spike. While Lilies aren't what I'd call exciting, it feels clunky to not get one when you're arguably playing properly by thinking ahead and precasting. Feels like this is something that needs to be fixed. :/

[Erakir]

In addition, precasting Cure/Cure II as a White Mage is a nightmare. Even if you don't overheal, you don't seem to generate Lilies if you cause the Cure/Cure II to land right after a damage spike. While Lilies aren't what I'd call exciting, it feels clunky to not get one when you're arguably playing properly by thinking ahead and precasting. Feels like this is something that needs to be fixed. :/

I want to follow this up and say I noticed this too, and I'm glad I'm not the only one. It's an absolute travesty considering how important pre-casting is in raids for squeezing out the most healing GCDs you can in the roughest parts of a fight. It's made me annoyed more than once when my plan is to Cure 2 -> Benison someone.

[Ceroes]

Just as I feared solo content for fighting is boring and repetitive. No sane person wanted another stone spell why are we always ignored?

Gaining lilies is anoying im purposely not putting on Regen and over curing just to get some in the level 50-60 content. Which doesn't bode well for higher level content where MP is gonna be much needed.

Been seriously considering dropping WHM and not picking up another healer because not only are we not listened to but Yoshi P himself said our concerns were unfounded and clearly didn't pay attention to any of them but we were supposed to calm down and find out well thanks for the middle finger Yoshi P.

[Kethic]

I dozed off doing DR EX as WHM today.

[Reivya]

Reporting in after hitting 70. Initial thoughts.

I'm noticing lilies accumulate often enough with the higher outgoing damage of dungeons and primals, but this could change with better gear - meaning MedII and Regen will replace a bulk of the Curing. I still kinda wish lilies had a passive effect, especially when you have all 3 lilies and every ability they affect is on CD.

My major sticking point with WHM is the Confession system. I like the idea behind Plenary a lot, but the duration on Confessions needs to be much longer/preferably removed, or the proc chance needs to be much higher. I've gone long periods without getting any Confessions even when chain casting Cure/Cure II, or I get 3 stacks in 3 Cures, not use Plenary because the tank is topped off, and if there are no more immediate spikes of damage, they will often fall off by the time I want them.

I would also love to see Cure III being able to apply Confession even with a lower proc chance - giving Plenary a bit of aoe potential without having to single target Cure everyone.

Edit: Additionally, tracking multiple Confession stacks on different people is annoying because we are unable to see the duration with the party interface. And though I haven't personally ran into this yet, double WHM in DF apparently can't differentiate their own Confession stacks without having to target the individual manually.

PS: Thin Air is great. Bension is pretty good with its 30s CD though needing a lily is a bit hard to plan for (i.e. topping up a tank before a buster using Tetra, thereby spending all lilies, and oops no more Bension).

[LathusWHM]

Confession stacks need a chance to proc on every single heal we have. Especially medica I and II.

Problem Solved.

[Darkplanet]

OK so i reached lvl 70 as many others here. I try to add some confession stacks to myself. no luck, i go out in the field and get hit by some enemies and heal myself, no confession stacks. I was so afraid by reading the info on plenary indulgence that you wouldn't be able to put stacks on yourself. but can you really not?? So this spell can literally not be used in solo play? are you serious?

like if this is the case and i'm not mistaken. This is utterly ridiculous. I am willing to forgive everything else about whm, but not this... i literally can't cast this spell on my own, like how is that ok?? I've officially lost my cool about whm, this is ridiculous. Change it now square enix. if there is but one thing you do, allow us to put confession stacks on ourselves.

and plz someone tell me if i'm mistaken...

[Brae]

So, now that ive played on 70 for a few days too, ill also give a bit of feedback.

WHM plays pretty nice on 70, but i feel like the lilys still need a bit of polishing, as well as the infamous plenary indulgence plus confession.
The biggest issue atm is the enormous amount of RNG in the new abilities. We have 3(CI) or 4(CII) different outcomes that can happen if we cast a cure spell ... thats not neccessarily bad, but we lack control over our own system.

Possible Changes:

Replace the 68 trait with a skill that lets us fetch a lily every 15 or 20 seconds. (I dont like the trait anyway, just more RNG ... )

Replace Divine Bension with an ability that changes based on our current lilys.
Somewhat like:

1 lily: Cuts off 2 seconds of the cast time of the next spell you use, then puts the skill on a 10 sec. CD
2 lilys: The next single target Spell will shield the target (For a amount based on the spell used, because Benediction), then the skill goes on a 20 to 30 second CD
3 lilys: The next single target heal will instantly stack 3 confessions on the target, or the next aoe heal will stack 1 confession on every person hit, then the skill goes on a 30 to 40 second CD

The second skill just being a random idea, i would really wish for a lily fetching spell. Hope will die, but at least it dies last.