Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[TheAngelneer]

Here are the updated tooltips from the Susano Battle Challenge build: IMGUR Album

They still failed to realize that the Lilies system could have a 100% proc every time you take a step and let you hoard a million lilies at once, it would still be uninspired, boring, underwhelming and best left ignored.

Confessions and the 20% chance on crit procs are even more stupid.

[xNewbx]

After seeing the new changes, I'm excited for the WHM. I do admit the integration with the Lillies and how they get used kind of upsets me (looks.. boring?). But I can already see how the overall WHM skills fits my play style perfectly.
I'm someone who who prefers to DPS as much as I can. The WHM will be able to just that. I don't want to boost others people's damage; I want to boost my own. Sitting back and watching others do the work isn't exactly exciting.
Keeping people alive while DPS'ing 24/7 looks easier than ever.

[Cynfael]

So really it all depends on the content! If the content demands a ton of MP usage, those that manage their MP the best will be the ones with he highest dps. And we seem to be brushing over the FACTS that the majority of healer DON'T dps in dungeon....what makes you think the majority of them dps in raids???

I'm not sure that I follow.

If we're going to make the assumption that MP management will be more important, then wouldn't that suggest a reasonable probability that AST would retain the DPS advantage since they not only have supplemental MP restoration through Ewer (and its buffed variations) if so desired but can also periodically buff party DPS without spending a single point of mana?

The difference between WHM and AST personal DPS would have to be very significant in the WHM's favor in order to grant the advantage to WHM in that area, assuming at least similar performance otherwise.

[Belhi]

Well we will know in about 35 hours. At this point I am going to wait for the finished product so I can be salty and point to the launch build to justify my saltiness.

[CaeliaCat]

Lots of incoherent arguments.

So, the BRD / MCH change is a buff. Most fights will have 1 minute or even 1.5 minutes of free mage's ballad, with no detriment to BRD / MCH damage output. That's about 10x more than I EVER heard ballad even in A12S. We also don't know if RDM will have a combo or proc to gain MP in the final build. My guess is that they will. Who cares if most healers don't DPS in dungeons? Why would that need to have ANY impact on what the toolkit should look like for balanced healer design?

AST and SCH get BOTH their utilities to increase party DPS AND their personal DPS. With all of the ways to regenerate MP for other members, I'm EXTREMELY skeptical that MP efficiency will play a meaningful role in how much either healer can DPS in 4.0. Maybe I'm wrong though. When has FFXIV ever let us down??

[fantasticm]

Here are the updated tooltips from the Susano Battle Challenge build: IMGUR Album

WOW!! AMAZING!!! THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH RAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

.... Now we really know who the reeeeeeeeaaaaaal king of MP effeciency be! No need to take Lucid Dreaming!!! Who even needs Divine Seal anymore?? When WHM can just keep dropping MAD HEAL BOMBZZZZZ nonstop with there infinite MP!?!?! hahahah just spam cure II bro ....... LOL

BIG NUMBERS

Divine Benison is THE BIGGEST HEAL IN THE GAME!!!! Accoring to this calculation

tank HP will be BIGGGGGGGGGGGewer then EVER (see what i did there?????????? ) Only need to wait 30 seconds and use Cure II to use it!!!!! now i'm thinkgen of all those 'healers' who said cure II was not theyre bread and butter........ psshhhhhhh.......... Thanks to Divine Benis being buffed like this Stoneskin is just a FART in THIN AIR!!! Since HWM is made it to be the biggest OP PURE HEALER in the game..... loss of several skills two cross role is NOTHING. WHM will be top pick for raids, cant wait!!!!!

go on upboat me trolls i dare u

[javid]

I'm not sure that I follow.
...

The difference between WHM and AST personal DPS would have to be very significant in the WHM's favor in order to grant the advantage to WHM in that area, assuming at least similar performance otherwise.

I agree completely that WHM personal dps has to be comparable to 3-5% of total raid dps OVER that of AST's personal dps in order to give WHM the raid dps equivalency. But I was talking strictly high MP usage fights. Anytime AST has to use a Ewer card for MP rather than for Royal Road, that's a raid dps loss. And WHM has better MP management than AST innately which means more consistent use of GCDs [potentially DPS GCDs].

On the other hand, thanks to RNG, there are times when an AST will consistently pull Ewers regardless of what they would prefer, so in that sense they aren't all wasted (just unavoidable).

I agree that WHM has the potential to manage MP extremely well based on what we know of 4.0 tooltips, but I'm having a difficult time imagining an encounter where this proves a significant advantage to the WHM (when compared to a similarly skilled and geared AST or SCH) . It's not impossible, but if SE tuned a fight to the point where one healer had a clear and relevant advantage in MP management, that fight would have to be exceptionally long and/or an extraordinary healing burden.

Any of those times AST gets an unavoidable ewer is a time AST will likely NOT avg 3-5% raid dps increase. There is a direct correlation to their unavoidable mp perks and raid dps.

Also they can make shorter jump periods in fights, doesn't have to be necessarily a longer fight.

Is it reasonable to think a Skilled WHM can do 400-640 more dps than a skill AST?? NO! I don't think so ....but what about 200-300 more personal dps?? Those don't seem completely unreasonable and those kinds of numbers (200-300) could cut the AST's DPS raid contributions in HALF (from 3-5% down to a 1.5%-2.5%).

But again why are we only considering AST and WHM swapping?? I would be more concern if SCH's raid dps contribution + personal dps can offset WHM's?? B/c AST sure can double as SCH with all its utilities!!

AST/WHM

[dark494]

AST's Earthly Star also got nerfed

https://twitter.com/Nariko_Star/stat...92584787476481

[Vaelin]

WOW!! AMAZING!!! THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH RAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

.... Now we really know who the reeeeeeeeaaaaaal king of MP effeciency be!

Divine Benison is THE BIGGEST HEAL IN THE GAME!!!! Accoring to this calculation

tank HP will be BIGGGGGGGGGGGewer then EVER (see what i did there?????????? ) Only need to wait 30 seconds and use Cure II to use it!!!!! now i'm thinkgen of all those 'healers' who said cure II was not theyre bread and butter........ psshhhhhhh.......... Thanks to Divine Benis being buffed like this Stoneskin is just a FART in THIN AIR!!! Since HWM is made it to be the biggest OP PURE HEALER in the game.....

go on upboat me trolls i dare u

I love this so much

[Cynfael]

I agree completely that WHM personal dps has to be comparable to 3-5% of total raid dps OVER that of AST's personal dps in order to give WHM the raid dps equivalency. But I was talking strictly high MP usage fights. Anytime AST has to use a Ewer card for MP rather than for Royal Road, that's a raid dps loss. And WHM has better MP management than AST innately which means more consistent use of GCDs [potentially DPS GCDs].

On the other hand, thanks to RNG, there are times when an AST will consistently pull Ewers regardless of what they would prefer, so in that sense they aren't all wasted (just unavoidable).

I agree that WHM has the potential to manage MP extremely well based on what we know of 4.0 tooltips, but I'm having a difficult time imagining an encounter where this proves a significant advantage to the WHM (when compared to a similarly skilled and geared AST or SCH) . It's not impossible, but if SE tuned a fight to the point where one healer had a clear and relevant advantage in MP management, that fight would have to be exceptionally long and/or an extraordinary healing burden.