Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Aegidus]

I know it is probably too late now, but I'm actually hoping the WHM population plumments on these changes, cause SE to go back to remake WHM (properly this time) in 4.1 / 4.2.

I think we'll definitely see a drop, but it would need to be catastrophic to influence any real change. Many will continue to play it and pretty much ignore the lily system, and for the majority of content, it will probably be enough. When the raid content comes out though, we're going to see all the serious raiders going SCH/AST, with very few exceptions.

I plan on switching to PLD or maybe SAM until this whole thing blows over.

[VanilleFang]

These changes, in all honesty, infuriate me. It's bad enough that they can't balance healers regardless of how they try, but it just seems like SE really dislikes WHM. WHM is easily the worst healer right now, and it's just going to get worse.

[Cynfael]

Yoshida snippets.

While I maintain that asking healers not to twiddle their thumbs shouldn't be viewed as excessively imposing, I think that Yoshi is taking the correct position in standing outside the fray. It's generally best for the game that more players actively play more roles; we can only hope that they choose of their own accord to play them well.

More on the original topic, I'm looking forward to seeing what changes await us at the launch of 4.0 since we know the dev team has continued to work on WHM (and assumedly other) mechanics since April. I don't think there's much more to say on the media release build at this point, so I'm just waiting for launch.

[javid]

Yall speaking like the top % core players do " I didn't get what I want....SE you messed up!!" Meanwhile.... the larger majority's issue seems to be getting addressed....why everyone so hung up on one job, whm of all jobs....if you really dont like the implementations in content....don't play it; leave lots of feedback and one day if your feedback outweighs the masses--or if you can influence the masses to think like you---you'll get that change you want so badly.

Also ppl going as far to say WHM isn't viable.... you're out of touch and way over the top, but w/e

[Feidam]

While I maintain that asking healers not to twiddle their thumbs shouldn't be viewed as excessively imposing, I think that Yoshi is taking the correct position in standing outside the fray. It's generally best for the game that more players actively play more roles; we can only hope that they choose of their own accord to play them well.

More on the original topic, I'm looking forward to seeing what changes await us at the launch of 4.0 since we know the dev team has continued to work on WHM (and assumedly other) mechanics since April. I don't think there's much more to say on the media release build at this point, so I'm just waiting for launch.

I too am curious as to what ultimately happens. I usually play scholar as my healer i like shields and dots. Whm never interested me much felt boring. Was hoping the expansion would bring good things since i love the elemental aesthetic the whm has with the holy and healing.

Also I think healer should throw some dps spells too, however my opinion shouldn't be what drives someone else. They could just not be comfortable throwing dps with their skill level or anxiety. It's not my place to tell them to play another class especially if it is casual content. However, in statics or party finder groups we can set whatever standards we want. The game has all skill levels and types. That is just my opinion of course.

[VanilleFang]

Don't play WHM.

You're either a troll or... I don't even know.

I shouldn't use WHM if i don't like changes? But WHM is my favourite class and I really do not like how SCH and AST play. Why should I be content with just not using the class I like because SE is terrible at balancing their healers? I should stop having fun playing a game because you don't want to hear me complain?

Why shouldn't SE just make one class OP and everyone just play that? It doesn't matter if you don't like it, at least you won't be trying to give the creators feedback. Right?

[javid]

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The answer is you don't even know...

you just listed your personal gripe about the implementations.... you are entitle to your gripe... but why am I a troll b/c I don't agree with you? LOOOOOL. Does that really work? you and our up voters think if you band together, the whole 6 of you, that somehow you'll quiet all the opposition to your viewpoint?

What I said was sound advice. Plainly stated.... If you don't like the changes don't play it and complain about it, if you find enough ppl to join your plight maybe you'll get a change. If somehow this advice goes over your head... and all you can understand is "troll".....then yes... i'm a troll..... such intelligent conversations we having


Also if you read the interview and you still think "SE doesn't know how to balance...." than you're just stupid.... bc it's not a matter of "how to", but "want to" and they explained why they are going the direction they are going.
get over yourselves

Yall speaking like the top % core players do " I didn't get what I want....SE you messed up!!" Meanwhile.... the larger majority's issue seems to be getting addressed....why everyone so hung up on one job, whm of all jobs....if you really dont like the implementations in content....don't play it; leave lots of feedback and one day if your feedback outweighs the masses--or if you can influence the masses to think like you---you'll get that change you want so badly.

Also ppl going as far to say WHM isn't viable.... you're out of touch and way over the top, but w/e

I just quoted myself....bc I was said to be telling ppl to STOP COMPLAINING??? But I don't see where it is I said that??? I do see the opposite though???

....And really, you're going to say that this is the proper way for them to balance the classes ....

You have your mind fixated on what you think "balance" has to mean..... and somehow if it doesn't meet your perimeters then it's not balance??? Dude.... if you don't like the changes........ leave your feedback.......if you can get enough voices together echoing the same thing you feel deep inside, then maybe you'll get a change. HOwever just b/c you feel some type of way doesn't mean I have to feel like you do, b/c I don'ttttt. So, IMO!!!! I can think your gripes are trite, bc its MY OPINION! Likewise you can think zealotry trite....b/c its your opinion....

We can hold conversations in hopes to convey our stance and maybe even sway each other one way or another. Or we can just call each other names until thread gets shutdown.....

[VanilleFang]

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You are telling people to stop complaining and to use a different class. I have to give up my favourite class? I have to stop playing the class I like because I don't like what they are doing to it? That's ridiculous.

And really, you're going to say that this is the proper way for them to balance the classes because it's how they want to do it? Fine, make WHM a "pure healer" but give it something worth a damn. The changes are terrible and WHM is already hurting. It's no wonder people are questioning SE. It almost seems like they don't understand their own game. They take things away from WHM and give more things to the other two. WHM has an easier time with MP now. and hey hit a little harder than the others... yay?

What else do they do that's worth note? All healers can heal just fine, all healers can dps just fine (RIP SCH aoe), none have issues with MP (changes just help bring WHM up to par which is sad), and they all have good utility.. Oh wait, that's only SCH and AST.

Looking at the changes it's like WHM was an after thought. It feels like they worked hard on SCH and AST and were ready to wash their hands of the healers than remembered WHM needed changes. Yeah, remove like 6 spells and give them a million procs. That'll work.

[Rivxkobe]

Damn this is a rough read. The misuse, and overuse, of the ellipses in this is just headache inducing.

The answer is you don't even know...

Right. So what are you? If not a troll, then just clueless. Or do you feel, for some reason, you have some right to talk down to other players who are (rightfully) unhappy with changes being made to a class they love?

you just listed your personal gripe about the implementations.... you are entitle to your gripe... but why am I a troll b/c I don't agree with you?

You aren't. They insinuated you were one because you came in here telling people to stop playing WHM and wondering why people are complaining about WHM "of all classes".

LOOOOOL. Does that really work? you and our up voters think if you band together, the whole 6 of you, that somehow you'll quiet all the opposition to your viewpoint?

What is this point of this? You are insufferably immature.

What I said was sound advice. Plainly stated.... If you don't like the changes don't play it and complain about it, if you find enough ppl to join your plight maybe you'll get a change. If somehow this advice goes over your head... and all you can understand is "troll".....then yes... i'm a troll..... such intelligent conversations we having

This is ridiculous. How in any way is "don't play it and complain about it" sound advice? The only way to get Square to make any changes is to give feedback.

Being condescending, hard to understand, and unpleasant actually defeats the purpose of trying to have any real form of discussion with you. The fact you are acting like its anyone else's fault that there is no form of intelligent discussion with you is hilarious.

Also if you read the interview and you still think "SE doesn't know how to balance...." than you're just stupid.... bc it's not a matter of "how to", but "want to" and they explained why they are going the direction they are going.
get over yourselves

"you're just stupid..." the irony is delicious.

It doesn't really matter what they said about why they are going in the direction they are going, they did a really poor job of it and it literally makes no sense in the way the rest of the game is played.

They failed to deliver on what they promised, and they shafted WHM with these changes just to try to pingeonhole it into a role that is unneeded and actually impossible to keep viable with the way they balance their game.

[javid]

nonsense

Man you're out of touch.... but I can tell by the way you parsed my words in order to make erroneous points, that I'd be wasting time going point by point with you.... I'll just take the lost! You're right! I'm the clueless troll! NO, the stupid, clueless troll!