Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Fawkes]

Please... Please do not even suggest that. You're going to give me nightmares ><;

Wait... did they seriously give protect a 40sec recast time just to give the lily shorten recast mechanic a purpose?! And protect benediction and even Fluid aura are going to eat all lilies too?! lol... sigh good thing I don't PVP and I hope that's not the case in PVE =/

Even if those tooltips are the same or similar in PVE... still seems kinda meh to me. I dunno =/

Popped some text into Google translate:

さらにPatch4.0から追加される白魔道士の新システム「ヒーリングリリー」も、
PvPでは専用の効果が発揮されるようになっていて、
一部アクションのリキャストタイムが短縮される効果をもっています。
（PvEとは異なる仕様なのでご注意くださいね！）

Furthermore, the new system "Healing Lily" of the added White Mage from Patch4.0 also,
In PvP, exclusive effects are to be demonstrated,
It has the effect of shortening the recast time for some actions.
(Please note that it is different from PvE!)

[Reiryuu]

snip

Ah. I only skimmed 'cause I am not interested in the slightest in PVP. I can read Japanese fine =)

WHM is the best 4-man dungeon crawler, but it's because of Holy and nothing else really.

Shhh! Don't say that or they might nerf it again... T_T;

[Kitfox]

On a positive note, anyone else feel like WHM will be the best healer for 4-man dungeons? I think the off-cooldown heals and aoe damage potential/sustain will work out great for that.

WHM is the best 4-man dungeon crawler, but it's because of Holy and nothing else really.

[Feidam]

WHM is the best 4-man dungeon crawler, but it's because of Holy and nothing else really.

Disagree with that. Holy is huge no doubt, but assize, asylum, regen , medica 2 , tetra and benediction are huge too. And they all work well together.

[Chiami]

WHM is the best 4-man dungeon crawler, but it's because of Holy and nothing else really.

Far more than Holy: After Regen on the tank give them all a Medica 2 (if needed + Asylum) as a general safeguard, toss your Aero 3 into the big trash pull, mop it up with 3 x Holy (first swiftcast) while those Aero-ouchies tick, and finish with a nice Assize for what little is still standing after this (if your two DPS weren't asleep on the wheel), in one go regaining MP and healing what little damage was not covered by your medica 2/asylum/regen and those Holy stuns. And if for some reason stuff went south during that nuke combo you have tetra or even bene to save the tank from hitting the floor.

WHM might lose what little place it had in raiding even more now if changes stay as we saw, but for 4-man we are the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

Seriously though... I have been doing little else but this combo for longer than I care to think about and by now I am at risk of falling asleep while being a Holy Hand Grenade... if you are relegated to only 4-man content in the feared DF hell of clusterfuck-roulette... eh. That alone won't keep me subscribed... not interested in being a speed accessory for everyone to get those tomes they gonna invest into initial raiding gear while I as a WHM... am a spent hand grenade left behind.

[Saraphin]

WHM might lose what little place it had in raiding even more now if changes stay as we saw, but for 4-man we are the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

...Macro.....so much macro text that could be fun to do XD

but on a serious note...WHMs do not want to be this. we do not want to be the ones that people go to for dungeons to gear up and left on the bench for the Raid-Game.

[Zhexos]

Greetings!

First off, thank you all for the continued feedback regarding the upcoming changes to white mage in Patch 4.0. We've been reading through it all and sharing it with the team.

As some have already pointed out, Yoshida recently made a comment about how casting Cure II will now grant a lily 100% of the time. The information and data revealed during the recent media tour was from a build made in late April, and various actions have been modified since then. While we continue to collect and relay your valuable feedback to the dev. team, we ask you to keep that in mind and hang tight a bit longer, until the finalized information is revealed in the patch notes.

10 more days till the early access!

[Saraphin]

While we continue to collect and relay your valuable feedback to the dev. team, we ask you to keep that in mind and hang tight a bit longer, until the finalized information is revealed in the patch notes.

we can only hope, as many have noted, the early release stuff has already started getting WHMs kicked from content. this is not good. we want WHM to be as viable as the other healing classes (though AST, as many have said) have seemed to come out on top of a lot...

we will be waiting and watching and hoping. that's all we can do other than put our ideas/thoughts concerns out.

[Seraphyna]

Greetings!

First off, thank you all for the continued feedback regarding the upcoming changes to white mage in Patch 4.0. We've been reading through it all and sharing it with the team.

As some have already pointed out, Yoshida recently made a comment about how casting Cure II will now grant a lily 100% of the time. The information and data revealed during the recent media tour was from a build made in late April, and various actions have been modified since then. While we continue to collect and relay your valuable feedback to the dev. team, we ask you to keep that in mind and hang tight a bit longer, until the finalized information is revealed in the patch notes.

Am I supposed to be excited about the bolded?

I can't tell you how infrequently I cast Cure II. It's almost nil. Regen, Medica/II, Cure (when needed), all yes. Cure II, hardly.

You know who I see spamming Cure II? New Whm's and those whose panic. That's who.

That's what you see in ARR & HW. The whole healing game is changing come Stormblood.

Looking at all the evidence, it appears Regen and Medica II alone will be insufficient to keep up with the incoming damage. Meanwhile, the Stone Skin is being removed. Hence, we'll have to be casting our Cure I and IIs and using Lilies, Confession, and whatever else is in our toolkit come release to keep the other characters alive.

Think about it.

Oh you mean overhealing, hate generating, mp draining healing? Sounds quite lovely.

Was only a disaster to the whm rep because players made it so. The freak out was real and most of it not constructive at all in the beginning. Some folks didn't get want they want as far as skills and effectively self sabotaged the class. However, that rep may not be as badly damaged either. From talking to people in game a lot of players seem to think the reaction was overblown. So it might salvaged yet.

Didn't get the skills they wanted and sabotaged the class eh? Let me lay it out for you. THIS is what Whm got:

Stone/Stone II/Stone III - Will now upgrade to stronger form
Aero/Aero II - Will now upgrade to stronger form
Aero III
Cleric Stance - Removed and changed to cross class skill
Protect - Removed and changed to cross class skill
Medica
Raise
Fluid Aura - Damage Removed
Esuna - Removed and changed to cross class skill
Repose
Cure
Cure II
Cure III
Medica II
Stoneskin - Removed (and previously nerfed)
Stoneskin II - Removed
Shroud of Saints - Removed and changed to cross class skill
Presence Of Mind
Regen
Divine Seal - Removed and changed to cross class skill
Holy - Damage reduced twice
Benediction
Asylum
Assize
Tetragrammaton

Please show me another job that had this amount of abilities removed from it, changes made, and nothing given back. I'll wait.

[Mahkii]

WHM is the best 4-man dungeon crawler, but it's because of Holy and nothing else really.

I think a lot of tanks don't realize that the amount of OCD instant cast 0 mp cost heals on WHM and SCH put AST in the dirt. WHM will grow in this department in 4.0 with cooldown reduction, plenary indulgence, and 3 min cooldown time on benediction.

I've seen Tanks go do some huge pull (some not popping proper cooldowns) and quickly die before an AST can do anything about it. Then, they think its the AST's fault because they're used to a WHM or SCH being able to baby sit them with the OCD heals. The other result in this scenario is AST is having to GCD more heals than a WHM or SCH and every GCD of heal is 1 less GCD of damage.

...Macro.....so much macro text that could be fun to do XD

but on a serious note...WHMs do not want to be this. we do not want to be the ones that people go to for dungeons to gear up and left on the bench for the Raid-Game.

Its unfortunate for players who want to stick to 1 job for all content, but I'll probably use WHM for dungeons and AST for raids if SE doesn't pull something out of Thin Air. Did you see what I did there? /wink

we can only hope, as many have noted, the early release stuff has already started getting WHMs kicked from content. this is not good. we want WHM to be as viable as the other healing classes (though AST, as many have said) have seemed to come out on top of a lot...

we will be waiting and watching and hoping. that's all we can do other than put our ideas/thoughts concerns out.

Take it from a raider who barely touches WHM. There is not any reason to start treating WHM differently from how you have for the past 8 months. In Stormblood, I believe we can expect WHM to be the best healer for dungeons.

Am I supposed to be excited about the bolded?

I can't tell you how infrequently I cast Cure II. It's almost nil. Regen, Medica/II, Cure (when needed), all yes. Cure II, hardly.

You know who I see spamming Cure II? New Whm's and those whose panic. That's who.

I have to agree that the cast frequency of Cure 1 and Cure 2 for skilled players is extremely low. That means the utilization of any new systems tied specifically to those 2 spells will also be as low, unless it is expanded to spells that we use with greater frequency.

Greetings!

First off, thank you all for the continued feedback regarding the upcoming changes to white mage in Patch 4.0. We've been reading through it all and sharing it with the team.

As some have already pointed out, Yoshida recently made a comment about how casting Cure II will now grant a lily 100% of the time. The information and data revealed during the recent media tour was from a build made in late April, and various actions have been modified since then. While we continue to collect and relay your valuable feedback to the dev. team, we ask you to keep that in mind and hang tight a bit longer, until the finalized information is revealed in the patch notes.

10 more days till the early access!

I am repeating myself like a broken record because of the importantance of this question, but the most important question from raiders that you can bring to the devs from us is, "why would we bring a WHM to raids when we can have The Balance and Chain Stratagem?" This question holds the greatest weight to us, and is intended to be a serious matter (not offensive).