Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Mahkii]

If this thread derails into a conversation about US politics, the thread may as well be locked and closed now.

[Vaelin]

Can we not bring politics into this? We're salty enough as is. We don't need real world drama too.

Good point, back to the real issues at hand then!

[Keridwyn]

Just wanted to drop by and leave a daily reminder to SE devs - why would raiders bring a WHM when we could have The Balance and Chain Stratagem?

Because the devs see this and decided to give us Reflect and Reraise.


I can live in hope....

[Hustensaft]

There is nothing wrong with the whm's healing kit as it stands currently.

In my opinion, there is something wrong.

I'll be shifting to WoW shortly, as quite recently there were changes made to one of the healer class there: Mistweaver Monks had three "AoE" healing abilities.
One is a HoT that spread around the raid and had a cooldown.
One is a spammable AoE-Heal that hits three targets.
One was a spammable/channel AoE-Heal that hits six targets.

They channeled AoE-Heal for 6 targets was never used, because HoT and three target heal covered any sort of AoE healing needed.
How did they progress from there? They signficantly buffed the Healing of said heal, and gave it a cooldown. Having several spells for a certain type of healing isn't necessarily good.

While you said "Cure III serves a purpose on tightly stacked packs when you need a lot of healing", there one simple fact here: Every Healer has to be capable of healing every scenario.

If AST and SCH with their limited 6/7 spell toolkit have to be able to heal everything, WHMs toolkit of 10 spells is completely unnecessary, as anything past spell 6 offers no more benefit.
While SCH/AST now get utility/support spells for slot 7-10, WHM has 3-4 more healing spells, that do absolutely nothing.

[Aramina]

In my opinion, there is something wrong.
While you said "Cure III serves a purpose on tightly stacked packs when you need a lot of healing", there one simple fact here: Every Healer has to be capable of healing every scenario.

If AST and SCH with their limited 6/7 spell toolkit have to be able to heal everything, WHMs toolkit of 10 spells is completely unnecessary, as anything past spell 6 offers no more benefit.
While SCH/AST now get utility/support spells for slot 7-10, WHM has 3-4 more healing spells, that do absolutely nothing.

So what would be the alternative to these spells?

[Saraphin]

So what would be the alternative to these spells?

well it obviously can't be buffs or shields, because then we'd be stepping on AST and SCH toes...what does that leave us with?

[Kitfox]

well it obviously can't be buffs or shields, because then we'd be stepping on AST and SCH toes...what does that leave us with?

Massive HoTs!

[Saraphin]

Massive HoTs!

yes, but he wants to get rid of our HoTs! or some of our cure spells! that won't be "fixing" the issue by him.

[Ziharku]

A big fix I could see for making confession more viable is just to have it placed on the white mage instead of the target. If the stacks built on the healer, it would be much easier to keep track of/maintain them.

There is ofc the issue of regen and aoe heals not having the chance to build stacks, so these should certainly be considered, though I could certainly see lowering the chance of a regen doing so. Your long cooldown skill, I feel should have a much higher chance of it. Benediction should build full stacks in use.

A good way to motivate players to get and keep these stacks instead than burning them every chance, would be to add a healing potency buff to each stack. Being able to avoid needing Plenary would reward players by making their consistent heals better through built faith. With the recast time it wouldn't even be harmful to prevent stacks of faith from being built up again until the ability was back up.

[Aramina]

yes, but he wants to get rid of our HoTs! or some of our cure spells! that won't be "fixing" the issue by him.

I am intensely afraid the answer back is going to be "You don't need to replace them."