Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Earthly Star has been brought up several times in this post, I did want to point out that it has a 60s CD so I don't know if it's necessarily the super OP heal people say it is.

I don't think WHM is going to be as dead as people are insisting (claiming that they could delete the class right now and we'd lose nothing is sheer dramatics, as is claiming nobody will play WHM or take one - it's not like you're going to be unable to clear because you brought a WHM lol). .

Assize is also on a 60s CD, and while Earthly Star needs 10 seconds to activate, it's power is 600 potency more than Assizes heal.... Not to mention Assize was rather unique to WHM, and now AST has even that.

And yes, WHM is viable. We're not saying it isn't. Sure we can clear content, but we're WAY behind both other healers in usefulness. On top of that, beyond just being raid relevant, this new system is not "fun". It's RNG that forces a certain playstyle on you to benefit from it.

Again, and the issue needs to be pressed, we're not claiming that we can't clear content or that were not viable. We're just tiers below the other healers in both our healing toolkit and utility, we're undesirable.

As far as the idea that you could delete WHM and nothing of value would be lost, please do tell me what WHM offers to the raid that your 7 other party members would hate to lose? All healers can heal as strongly as WHM, but they all offer more unique skills beyond that. WHM only heals, and now it isn't even the best at healing. It's ridiculous

[Subasu]

I’ll add my 2 cents on where I think WHM should go here. Current state, the WHM mechanic isn’t intuitive to game-play and more importantly lacks group support abilities. Lets reinforce WHM identity toward Hots…

Make lilies proc based on an amount of healing done (not over healing). Add a skill that consumes lilies which will heal for the remaining regen potency on party members (both from medica 2 and regen) and passively provides a scaling GCD reduction while left unspent.

Passive
1 lily 5% CD reduction
2 lilies 10% CD reduction
3 lilies 15% CD reduction

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While the rest of your suggestions sound good, what does Cooldown reduction give WHM's?? Nothing. I still not sure why SE went this direction, what WHM's need/want is MP reduction. Otherwise, you have some solid ideas.

[Elamys]

Again, and the issue needs to be pressed, we're not claiming that we can't clear content or that were not viable. We're just tiers below the other healers in both our healing toolkit and utility, we're undesirable.

As far as the idea that you could delete WHM and nothing of value would be lost, please do tell me what WHM offers to the raid that your 7 other party members would hate to lose? All healers can heal as strongly as WHM, but they all offer more unique skills beyond that. WHM only heals, and now it isn't even the best at healing. It's ridiculous

In this community, "not the absolute best" always gets construed as "garbo!!!! do not bring or u can not cleer" and, yes, people ARE saying things like that, so the sooner we stop spreading around that ridiculous notion, the better.

You know it's just being dramatic to claim that WHM can just be deleted. It is seriously not that bad. WHM is still a very strong healer.

[Cynfael]

In this community, "not the absolute best" always gets construed as "garbo!!!! do not bring or u can not cleer" and, yes, people ARE saying things like that, so the sooner we stop spreading around that ridiculous notion, the better.

You know it's just being dramatic to claim that WHM can just be deleted. It is seriously not that bad. WHM is still a very strong healer.

"Delete WHM" = Dramatic, hyperbolic.

"WHM lacks unique value among the 3 healers" = A notion with enough evidence at least to debate in some seriousness.

Even SCH is starting to feel the heat as AST appears set to further assert its power in 4.0, and the WHM situation is of deeper concern.

Again, hopefully SE is already on top of this and ready to launch 4.0 with important tweaks to the media release build so that we can focus our energy more on actual strategy and pros vs. cons. It's difficult to strategize or have a solid discussion about how to make the most of changes when the changes themselves are so blatantly problematic.

[Kid-Tempest]

Here are my suggested tweaks:

1) Allow lilies, confession, and other procs that works only for cure and cure2 to also work with regen/med2 ticks.

2) Lilies should increases whm healing and damage output by 5%->10%->20% respectively.

3) Change the second lily trait from reducing assize and asylum cooldowns by 5 seconds to allowing you to use the 3 lilies for a free benediction. (0 recast time)

4) If 3 lilies are used on assize give a 5% vulnerability down for 10 seconds (on top of the cooldown reduction) and if 3 are used asylum gives an additional HoT that'll tick for 150 potency for 30 seconds (on top of the cooldown reduction).

This will make using 3 lilies worth it, and shouldn't go too far from the original 4.0 design.

[Kid-Tempest]

I still don't really get this argument. It's not like White Mage had Leeches AND Esuna. It's not like Dark Knight was running around with Shadowskin AND Rampart. I don't see how it detracted from the game by giving different jobs different flavours.

speaking from a technical point of view having to create the same action 3 times with different names, designs, etc is just taking up extra space when it can all be put into 1 move. This creates room for them to add more new actions with different functionality I believe.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

While the rest of your suggestions sound good, what does Cooldown reduction give WHM's?? Nothing. I still not sure why SE went this direction, what WHM's need/want is MP reduction. Otherwise, you have some solid ideas.

It's even worse because it's not like CD reduction is unique or something. Both other healers have ways, less unorthodox ways at that, to cut their CD timers down a bit. Heck, I'm pre sure they adjusted Spear to cut off CD duration at this point as well, which means AST could potentially just hand someone else the same effect your job mechanic does instantly.

It really just makes no sense at all.

[LegoTechnic]

It's even worse because it's not like CD reduction is unique or something. Both other healers have ways, less unorthodox ways at that, to cut their CD timers down a bit. Heck, I'm pre sure they adjusted Spear to cut off CD duration at this point as well, which means AST could potentially just hand someone else the same effect your job mechanic does instantly.

It really just makes no sense at all.

Wait, they do? How does a SCH reduce their cooldowns? You aren't referring to the level 68 20% proc trait, are you? >_>;

Not going to argue that CD reduction is a lackluster power, though. I mean the Spear is a trash card to draw for a very good reason, and it's not just because of Balance.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

In this community, "not the absolute best" always gets construed as "garbo!!!! do not bring or u can not cleer" and, yes, people ARE saying things like that, so the sooner we stop spreading around that ridiculous notion, the better.

You know it's just being dramatic to claim that WHM can just be deleted. It is seriously not that bad. WHM is still a very strong healer.

I'm being dramatic when I say you could delete WHM.
I'm only stating that WHM has so little unique utility or usefulness to the actual raid, that you could completely take them out of the picture and you would have lost nothing of importance to your group.
Yes, WHM is strong enough to stand on its own, but bringing one feels like more of a handicap than a benefit.

[Saigo]

It's so funny to see how ppl cry for something they can't even test and deny completly all others aspect of the class with no clue of what the raids will look like in 4.0.

Asked their thought to some mid-core raid lead almost same answer with those improvement WHM still a secure choice for encounters.

The only true loss is the Seal but that's against the idea of building stacks/lillies by healing too strongly.

It's also funny to compare with Spear when Spear cost a card and a royal road and that's now free for WHM just by healing properly.