Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[DuskTS]

Can you only proc lilies when you restore health? That means Tank has to remove and re-equip gear every pre-pull so you can proc lilies+confessions. And then they have to pull and take enough damage within 30 seconds to warrant use of confessions unless you refresh them.
Also the barrier doesn't wear off after a certain amount of time? Enjoy putting single barriers on every party member pre-pull every pull. (60 second CD)
Hmm if only there was a skill which put the barrier on every player at once...

Please tell me I'm mistaken here please tell me the barrier drops off after a amount of time so things sort of make sense.
What the hell were the devs smoking?

[OzumaKuma]

My opinion to the developers is to scrap the lily gauge. Forget the Pure Healer Ideal because the reality is in almost every Final Fantasy, WHM were usually in good positions to do good damage of their own and not simply just healing all the time.

Take Cleric Stance off Cross Role and give it to White Mages only in the form of a job gauge. It can simply be every time the WHM uses a healing ability their gauge builds up, and allows for them to carry out high dps abilities with high potency damage or a more intense version of Cleric Stance where you have a time frame in which you can do extra damage with all damage tools you have.

Or even just a healing gauge you can get abilities from like Thin Air Ability or Divine Benison. Something with concrete numbers and not RNG. Leave RNG for Astrologians.

Also GIVE FLUID AURA ITS DAMAGE BACK, AND DON'T EVER SKIP OVER WHITE MAGE AGAIN WITH NO THOUGHT JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE NEW JOBS FLASHY FOR SALES

[13unny]

I'm not even sure how to respond to this.

Yes, the WHM heal over time aoe. Not an instant 900-1000 potency heal.

Anyone who doesn't see what is going on is clueless and has never played a healer or is trolling beyond belief.

With the changes the already excluded WHM is being completely removed from raid groups now.

AST doesn't have an Instant 900-1k Potency heal. You cannot disregard 10 second charge time! Or how again WHM Asylum is also Instant cast!! XD

Since you haven't seen this fight, you can youtube! In 11s you can skip a lot of skills like a whirlwind (room wide aoe) If you skip and you tried to preplan you healed 0 because never went off! Or it goes off and he does other skill like left/right sword or jumping on him when he turns into an airship Asylum will heal more in terms of time! Though also in the fight he will cast it back to back! Yes you can preplan it the best you can to go off the first AoE. Though WHM can still throw Assize + Swift Cure 3, which now waiting on CD throw out Asylum to top everyone off after the second whirlwind. Not saying skill is bad but can also hands down do nothing!!

[Vaelin]

Again WHM wasn't gutted in terms of skills, Hurts more when AST/SCH both lost Aero. On top of that since WHM has so many mana regen skills now they do not have to take Lucid Dreaming and can simply take Largesse where AST/SCH might not able to even take that if Esuna becomes a thing or Rescue.

The fact that you just said a WHM doesn't even "have to take Lucid Dreaming", (which is our only way of getting MP back besides Assise) speaks volumes of how delusional and fundamentally ignorant you are to White Mage. It's a waste of energy even replying at this point, since it's clear you don't have the capability to understand even the painfully obvious issues at hand. All I can ask is you spare other people such redundant and superfluous answers.

[Skye_]

SE - My 2 cents
The core problem is you essentially two healing jobs; healer and shielder. With Astro, you released a job that is a jack of all trades, but master of none and it should have stayed that way. Jobs need to stay true to what makes them unique from a healing and shielding perspective.

The big elephant in the room is DPS.

Current raids aren't really healing intensive, especially as people get geared and because you have gated weapons behind weekly tome lockouts. A player cannot roll one job for early progression and then switch later. With healing only a problem for week 1 -2. This creates raid meta that healing should be minimized in lieu of DPS and people are stuck in their roles.

Prior to AST. The general relationship between WHM and SCH was such; WHM is the better healer with lower DPS. SCH is the better Shielder with higher DPS.
With the introduction of AST. You have a job that could heal or shield, not as well as its pure counterparts. The clear distinction was its DPS contribution by buffing party DPS.

Now you have two DPS (Raid Utility) healers with different styles. AST = Party, SCH = Individual.

At 3.0 release, we can all agree that initially, AST did need a little buff, but the biggest problem between the 3 jobs were two things:

1. SCH’s did not adjust playing with a Diurnal AST – SCH’s would just DPS like they had a WHM and the AST could not keep up. So rather than lowering their DPS, and healing more. They just did not take them. That they raid needed to understand was TOTAL healer DPS contribution should need to be the same. If you bring two DPS (utility contributors) There must be a tradeoff. SCH should have to heal more and DPS less, but the total DPS contribution is the same due to AST party DPS buff. This really didn’t materialize.
2. WHM had no Shield to help a Noct AST – Simple, there just was not enough shielding to compensate for big damage.

To combat these two issues SE should have done two things

1. Educate the player base on the need for SCH’s to adjust their playing styles to AST and how total DPS contribution works out.
2. Give WHM a minor shield that stacks with AST to compensate for big damage.

What SE did in 3.0 was to overbuff AST so it was equal to a WHM, but higher DPS contribution. Leaving SCH to DPS like they have a WHM. Thus killing the job in raid meta that focuses on DPS. In 4.0, it is arguable that AST is better than both pure roles for healing and shielding. Which is absurd.

How I think the roles should play

WHM/AST:
WHM main heals. Does individual DPS. Supports AST with a shield for big damage with stacking shield.
AST support heals. Shields as needed. Does higer individual DPS and Party DPS buff.

AST/SCH
AST main heals, but less individual DPS due to busy main healing. Buffs party DPS.
SCH higher heal support. Less individual DPS. High shields.

WHM/SCH
WHM main heals. Does individual DPS. WHM shield does not stack with SCH shield.
SCH support heals. Higher individual DPS. High shields.

What needs to be balanced is total healer DPS contribution between those roles.


This means that you must also balance the DPS contribution between

Lastly, the WHM skills in lilly and confession stack workings need to be fixed for all of the reasons stated by other people

[13unny]

The fact that you just said a WHM doesn't even "have to take Lucid Dreaming", (which is our only way of getting MP back besides Assise) speaks volumes of how delusional and fundamentally ignorant you are to White Mage. It's a waste of energy even replying at this point, since it's clear you don't have the capability to understand even the painfully obvious issues at hand. All I can ask is you spare other people such redundant and superfluous answers.

Um You also forgot about Thin Air XD seems you're the one that is delusional since you're forgetting that they can save 7965 mana when ressing! 8 casts of cure 3 which is 13432 mana. That is almost 100% of my current mana pool which is 14,159 mana with 767 Piety! I do not know how much more mana saving you need then near 100% mana pool xD
In terms of DPS they can save 5040 mana (maybe more since dont know how much spell speed is shown when casting stone 4) though that is still 3rd or 33% of WHM current mana pool!
When you add in the fact they also have Assze + SCH needing mana regen from Range DPS they would be fine in terms of mana regen!

[Aramina]

Um You also forgot about Thin Air XD seems you're the one that is delusional since you're forgetting that they can save 7965 mana when ressing! 8 casts of cure 3 which is 13432 mana. That is almost 100% of my current mana pool which is 14,159 mana with 767 Piety! I do not know how much more mana saving you need then near 100% mana pool xD
In terms of DPS they can save 5040 mana (maybe more since dont know how much spell speed is shown when casting stone 4) though that is still 3rd or 33% of WHM current mana pool!
When you add in the fact they also have Assze + SCH needing mana regen from Range DPS they would be fine in terms of mana regen!

The fact that you think Thin Air will be used on Cure III or even Stone IV shows how blissfully (for you I am sure) ignorant you truly are.

[IhzaMhaskova]

The fact that you think Thin Air will be used on Cure III or even Stone IV shows how blissfully (for you I am sure) ignorant you truly are.

I should've known it was a losing fight when they said AST was the worst healer class.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[13unny]

The fact that you think Thin Air will be used on Cure III or even Stone IV shows how blissfully (for you I am sure) ignorant you truly are.

Why wouldn't you? You're going to save it always? Nope you're going to use it most likely when you have the most time. Most of the time this will be at the start of the fight! So you are going to use Presence of Mind + Thin Air to get most casts you for DPS, while saving all that mana.

I mean what else are you going to use it on? I was saying Cure 3 also simply because cost the most mana out of WHM AoE skills. I know you don't need to cast 8 times in a row but was showing what it can do in different scenarios!

Best way for astro to cast chain spells is with lightspeed which is only going to cost them 795 per Helios cast! Casting Helios 8 times will cost 6360 vs 0

I forgot about Holy!! 7 cast of holy is 12,376 mana!

[Aramina]

You aren't going to save it. You just aren't going to use it on either of those spells. Which, as I said, if you knew anything about WHM you would already know that.