Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[AlphaSonic]

Increasing Lily generation and synergizing the kit to grant Confession as the result of Lily usage is my answer to that. Read it again.


We're talking about WHM. Stay on topic.

Delusion, convince yourself.
The topic also involves balance between healers. And since 1 healer gets a mechanic that completely outclasses the mechanic that WHM gets. It should be taken into account for suggestions. If WHM was the only healer in this game we wouldn't have any of these complains since it wouldn't be compared or outclassed by anything.

And I'm going to reiterate it again. 20% Cooldown reduction is a bad bonus for the work you need to do. Compared to other classes that press a skill and get the same bonus, can be applied to anyone that it needs it and can be used whenever you want.

[Yhximott]

Perhaps just making it so Plenary Indulgence auto grants a Lily upon use. That's a free Lily every 15 seconds and possibly a heal for someone.

Of course, this on top of making Confession permanent until used and granting a chance to stack Lilies and Confession on every single heal. <==Don't forget this. This is important.

[Yhximott]

The topic also involves balance between healers...

And I'm going to reiterate it again...

Balance is impossible until we see the works in action. We're presently trying to make suggestions to put WHM at the starting line so it has a chance in hell. We'll have to wait to bump out the minute details i.e. balancing it with the other Jobs.

The CD reduction becomes flavor if you make the focus on using the Lilies for something else. A bonus, rather than the purpose. Focus on creating something rather than complaining about my suggestions.

[Reiryuu]

But, they also seem to be in general agreement that they will withhold any judgement until the final mechanics and values are set when the game is released. And a lot less (read: none) of the rage and doom & gloom from here.

Which JP forum are you reading? There's quite a bit of the same general stuff that's going on here going on in their main healing thread. While we may be a bit more overdramatic here, we tend to be so whereas they do not. That's all it boils down to. There are plenty of healers arguing that WHM is in need of fixes. There are lots of people who, like here, are telling them to be quiet and that everything is fine.

[Savagelf]

Please wait till you play white mage in 4.0 before complained it kind foolish to get anger without tried the white mage out before complaining you all don't know it maybe an uber healer that amazing beyond expectations.

also you should first see it in 24 and an 8 man aswell a 4 man before make complaints

[Muchmidget]

Please wait till you play white mage in 4.0 ...*snip*

While there have been a fair amount of overreactions happening, we're trying to give some feedback based on what's been shown and the opinions of those who HAVE had the opportunity to try it out. If SE has some skills they haven't shown us yet, or if they've already tweaked it then great! We can also be fairly sure that they've been making adjustments even without our input, and will continue to do so up until release. But the information we already have is sufficient for some analysis and feedback on our end. Hypothetical scenarios, simulations, mathematical breakdowns (especially when everything is potency based instead of hard numbers)...etc. can all be done without actually using the skills. And the earlier that potential flaws are noticed and pointed out, the easier it is to correct them. We're not just complaining. We are trying to help improve the game

[CyrilLucifer]

Please wait till you play white mage in 4.0 before complained it kind foolish to get anger without tried the white mage out before complaining you all don't know it maybe an uber healer that amazing beyond expectations.

also you should first see it in 24 and an 8 man aswell a 4 man before make complaints

But you don't need to have played the job to see how these changes are not harmonious with our current toolkit and skill usage at all. We do not cast cure frequently, s Lilies are a wasted mechanic, especially with how low the proc rate is. Why wait to use Assize when you can basically get that same reduction just by using it as soon as it comes up? There's a timer on Confessions (I would not be surprised if they removed the timer all together, like Machinist ammo, tbh) that makes it equally worthless, since you need to have cured multiple times to even get the use out of it, so the situations where it could be useful are rare.

[RopeDrink]

Make the Lilly mechanic rotate around Stone IV rather than cures.




I'm only half joking.

[CyrilLucifer]

Make the Lilly mechanic rotate around Stone IV rather than cures.

I'd be about 60% happier with the Lily mechanic if they did this.

[IttyBitty]

Recast reduction, unless it is INCREDIBLY high amounts of it (ie above 50%), is garbage no matter how you slice it when it is limited to our healing cooldowns. ASTs instantly trash Spear without a second thought. Think about that for a second. This whole system you have designed isn't any better than the card AST uses as Royal Road fodder *AT IT'S VERY BEST*.

Like tanks, you plan general cooldown use. Having an ability come off cooldown a few seconds early doesn't do -anything- for us, because we're just going to hold onto those abilities until we need them anyway. We are going to burn lilies faster than we generate them. Divine Benison is a sick joke. Why would anybody have wanted to lose on-demand mitigation for a 60 second cooldown that's barely better and is gated by stupid lilies?

Essentially, if this entire system didn't exist, most WHM players wouldn't even notice it. I don't see how that can EVER be considered a good thing.

The removal of Stoneskin has also killed WHM's ability to handle mechanics in old content. Think about that, too.

This stuff is just scratching the surface of why this whole update is just not a good direction for WHM.