Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Reiryuu]

Wow. That is actually depressing to read. What is SE thinking, it's half the job it used to be...

And literally a little over 2/3s of the other two healers.

And here's the break down for 60 and 70:

60

WHM 21 (18)
AST 23 (21) +6 cards
SCH 23 (22) +7 fairy

70

WHM 25 (21) <Stone 1-3 (-3) Aero 1 (-1)>
AST 27 (24) <Combust 1 (-1) Malefic 1-2 (-2)> + 8 cards
SCH 27 (25) <Bio (-1) Broil (-1)> + 8 Fairy (+Fey Union)

Total:

WHM 25 + 10 = 35
AST 27 + 10 + 8 = 47
SCH 27 + 10 + 8 = 47

[Hamada]

But it's also true that the translations from many, MANY of the tooltips have been severely inaccurate. And everything is subject to change, especially if SE gets wind of the communities concern about what's happening with WHM.

People just need to be patient and wait until things have been solidified before making outright conclusions.

Its definitely possible that the way WHM is now won't be the case come the 16th. That's why I say if you haven't played it after the stormblood release, then refrain from acting as such.

Did you read what you typed? "we need to wait for us to play SB" "SE may change something because what people are saying now"

[RaijinSupreme]

Did you read what you typed? "we need to wait for us to play SB" "SE may change something because what people are saying now"

uuhhh... is there something confusing about what I said? Because of the concerns the community is having now, its possible that White Mage can be changed. So what we know of WHM right now may not be the case come SB. So it would be best for us to wait until it comes out before making any conclusions.

are you ok?

[Alkimi]

They need to rework this whole design =/

Yeah, agreed. Something that would go a long way to fix it all would be to change the 20% proc rate to 100%.

It might sound OP, but if you've ever played WHM in the hardest content then your CD usage is planned, much in the same way tanks are. For example most of the time I generally use Tetragrammaton at the same points in any fight. If in 4.0 I randomly happen to have 1 or 2 lillies when I use it, it doesn't make any difference. I will still use them at the same points because the recast reduction can't be relied upon.

Everything being a 20% chance means it's dead on arrival. Things like cooldown reduction and extra potency on Plenury sound good on paper but because they are beyond the WHM's control they're rendered unreliable and ultimately useless.

[Velox]

I know people that have played it during the media tour. They've all said the job is absolute trash now compared to AST. But I think it's by choice. SE wants a "beginners" healer class that anyone can use to learn to heal. Experienced healers should aim to play AST or SCH, especially AST since that's sort of like WHM with a 2nd job crystal right now.

[Ayerinn]

All this doom and gloom...and yet we have not seen the ENCOUNTERS yet. How much you want to bet there will be encounters created that the community discovers will be significantly easier with a white mage because of X...all of a sudden, the complaints shift from WHM is not part of the "meta" to people complaining they need to switch healing jobs on a per fight basis (and maintain 2 sets of gear.) WHM looks GREAT for 4-man and 24-man content...I really need to level one :/

[Fyce]

uuhhh... is there something confusing about what I said? Because of the concerns the community is having now, its possible that White Mage can be changed. So what we know of WHM right now may not be the case come SB. So it would be best for us to wait until it comes out before making any conclusions.

are you ok?

You said that we should wait. That we shouldn't complain or jump to conclusions.
But you also said that if we remain vocal, SE might change stuff around.

So, what do you want to say? We shut up or we raise our voice? It can't be both.

[Cheremia]

The system is BAD for mp management. Why?
20% chance for confession/Lillies
As of now:
Cure I: 442
Cure II: 884
Medica:1237
Medica 2:1502
Regen: 618
So, while you're busy spamming either of the cures, you only need 2xCureII to have more mp wasted than one medica2. And 20% means you'll be spamming cure I, right? Well, only 4x means you wasted more Mp than one medica2.
But what about Free Cure? Well, has a 15% chance of popping.
Which means your new mechanic wants you to waste mp for shorter cooldowns which kind of isn't a good trade. Who cares if the regen is abit overkill sometimes? Still less mp wasted than Cure spamming, so who cares.

WHEN do I use cure 1/2? When somewhere, a lone perosn has damage and nobody else. Otherwise I just pop a medica 2+regen(on the tank) and be done with it. The FIRST thing I do if Tank a lot of damage? Tetragrammaton. If on Cooldown and it happens, Cure1/2.
Okay then, I'm not gonna bend backwards to use that system.

[Alkimi]

The MP management is good if you just pretend lillies don't exist. Which is looking like the way to go about WHM until it's inevitably adjusted.

[NefarioCall]

... We get one useful skill over the course of 10 levels, Thin Air.

That name is SO VERY appropriate for the thing we get in this expansion.