Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Exiled_Tonberry]

This is going to trickle down hard. The truth is, despite how boring, how badly designed the lily system is, how bad we were gutted and how AST heals for more, mitigates for more and buffs for more than us, we would still be VIABLE in dungeon/ex trial content.

Now that's good enough for SE I guess, but the rest of the community is going to shun WHM like crazy. Yes even though it won't directly effect them, endgame raiders are going to mention just how horrible WHM is standing next to the likes of AST and SCH. And I hope it happens really. Maybe SE will actually try next time...

Outside of raid content, I find it hard to believe anyone is going to have fun with this. Outside of cure spam, WHM has not changed one bit. In fact, if you're not the type to spam cure, you'll have LESS abilities and Less healing power than in 3.0 lmao...

[Reiryuu]

Let's not say it's final though. It can change before release.

Again, I would like to point out. The only thing that's likely to change is numbers here and there. I seriously doubt any amount of number tweaking is going to help WHM out. They need to rework this whole design =/

[Keramory]

SE seems to keep trying to push pressure to get me to quit WHM...

You all took my fireballs and shock spikes away before 2.0, but I still have my pimp cane!

Melee hitting while casting cure I till the end of time!

I don't need rng heals, I've been happily under preforming since the start.

Don't know why everyone's in a rage. I'll happily take the challenge!

[KDSilver]

Happy spamming cure then ?

[Reiryuu]

No one's saying you should quit permanently or at all. A lot of us see SE feeding us a big pile of dog crap and the other jobs get chocolate pudding. We'd rather have some chocolate pudding. That's all.

[Keramory]

^ think you're taking me a tad too seriously.

I for one happily look forward to joining dungeons and raids and everyone having that confused but sad reaction where they realize they got the short stick... but they don't want to wait another 20 min to get another healer.

I'd like to think I'm not alone in this feeling

[ToasterMan]

Come raid time you will regret it.

Your biggest challenge will be actually getting a raid spot.

I for one happily look forward to joining dungeons and raids and everyone having that confused but sad reaction where they realize they got the short stick... but they don't want to wait another 20 min to get another healer.

That's a really bad attitude to have. You'll get kicked. I say that as a former WHM main.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Again I will point out to use these abilities as normal. Don't sit on them waiting forRNGesus to be in a good mood. In the worst case scenario, you get absolutely no lilies before a CD expires, and this equates to nothing lost, nothing gained. The more abilities that fall under this umbrella the better. So you're not in a situation where the reduced CD works on Assize, but not Asylum; however this particular group has an undergeared tank, and you could really use that reduced CD on Asylum. Every stack of confession, and every lily proc serves to increase your ability to keep a party alive or increase DPS output, or both.

You do not build a mechanic around exceedingly rare circumstances. There is no way they will have dungeon hit hard enough you'll need every CD in your arsenal just for a low geared tank to survive. They don't even do this in Savage.

"Give an inch. Take a mile." I use that saying often here because this is a great example of it. 4% reduction to a 60 sec CD (currently the shortest) is nearly the equivalent of a global cooldown. How often is it mentioned here just how valuable those are? So much so that clipping DoTs is a big no-no, and weaving in Aero on your way to cast Fluid Aura is a big yes-yes? Why have you all of a sudden forgotten? Let's say you run, what I consider to be an average of a 14-minute dungeon run. How many free gcds does that come to assuming you get one lily per CD (which you will)? I'm terrible at math.

None.

That is how worthless 4%. it amounts to a two second reduction on a sixty second CD, which is laughable. You will never benefit from that once in even a twenty minute fight, which this game has none of. At 10%, you see a meager benefit of one extra Assize per ten minutes. Of course, this doesn't factor walking distance between pulls. Chances are, you will still never benefit from this outside bosses. And even then, it'll be once. We haven't even begun to discuss the pitfalls of cooldown reduction systems in a game where everyone pre-plans their abilities due to the scripted nature of fight mechanics. Cliffnotes version, even if you could proc Lilies fairly consistently, you'll benefit exceptionally little from what amounts to a Spear card.

I am quite sure adjustments will be made. But for right now, you have to re-think how you play WHM. If you play it the way you do now, and assuming DMG isn't ramped up, you won't benefit from the lily system. I also find it very strange that AST is basically the opposite of WHM, and everyone is ooh-ing and ahh-ing over pretty lights and animations, knowing much less about how these skills will work in combat opposed to WHM. Maybe that's just me though?

My adjustment will be to play a job that isn't horribly gimped. People are not going to abruptly start Cure spamming because the devs have no idea how to balance healers, or seemingly how their own game is played. Astro has remained largely unchanged except to be gifted its own version of Assize, a buff to its Sects, which makes it a stronger single target healer than White Mage and a way to throw away cards to either heal or deal damage. People are gushing over Astro because its perks are amazing.

Now I actually want to posit something. Spear is unanimously considered Royal Road fodder. It offers a 10% reduction of cooldowns to the raid; 20% on a single target. Oh my! The Lily mechanic already exists... and Astros burn it for better card buffs. That says just how much we value CD reduction in this game.

[Fyce]

Good lord, so one can learn everything about a job just by reading tooltips and buying what others(who are they and how much time they spent "playing" the new whm?) say like a sheep?

I guess unfortunate players like me, who spent months on one job , honing their skills by playing have been doing it all wrong...

Cheers,
D.

When a tooltip says that you'll get a stack at a 20% chance by using Cure and Cure II, you don't need to spend months practicing it to realize it's garbage.

[Keramory]

On a more serious note... I disagree with the raid comment.
At least in my experience. Been raiding since this game was made (off and on) and I have and will never join a group unless I really like the people in it. Never once had an issue with jobs.

Of course for those who had multiple jobs, we'd switch around and what not... but we'd make what we had work.

Sorry but the last concern I have, and those like me in terms of raiding, is optimizing the job lineup.

I know I'm not alone in this but there's definitely those who disagree.... and I pity people in those groups because this games difficulty doesn't warrant that level of seriousness >.>