Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Epo]

This isn't even true right now and won't magically be true in 4.0

Except it's only not true right now because WHM runs out mana, which likely won't be the case come 4.0. So it won't magically be true, but it could very well be logically true come 4.0
it only wouldn't be if they changed the raiding meta which would just also likely work in WHM's favor anyway.

[Skyrior]

Except it's only not true right now because WHM runs out mana, which likely won't be the case come 4.0. So it won't magically be true, but it could very well be logically true come 4.0
it only wouldn't be if they changed the raiding meta which would just also likely work in WHM's favor anyway.

1. No it isn't even true right now even if you don't consider mana. WHM's sustained single-target DPS is in the vicinity of 1700~1900 in BiS before mana runs out, which is at best 100~200 DPS above SCH/AST.

2. A single Astrologian Expanded Balance buff is at least worth 1500 DPS in an average group. It's much more than that when done in the opener.

3. It wouldn't even work in WHM's favor if the fights are healing-intensive because ASTs are going to have better raw healing than WHM.

You can, of course, argue that 100~200 > 1500 in your alternate universe with a different set of mathematical rules.

[Epo]

1. No it isn't even true right now even if you don't consider mana. WHM's sustained single-target DPS is in the vicinity of 1700~1900 in BiS before mana runs out, which is at best 100~200 DPS above SCH/AST.

2. A single Astrologian Expanded Balance buff is at least worth 1500 DPS in an average group. It's much more than that when done in the opener.

3. It wouldn't even work in WHM's favor if the fights are healing-intensive because ASTs are going to have better raw healing than WHM.

I can't even take you seriously since all your past posts indicate you're a troll.

[Sebazy]

I'd be very cautious about making huge sweeping theory crafting assumptions on the tooltips we've been shown so far, They are absolutely riddled with errors.

Personally I'm absolutely overjoyed with the MP improvements and Assize changes alone, the 4.0 abilities will shine in early progression as well. Meh.

[Gespenst]

I'm pretty sure personal DPS isn't considered raid utility otherwise Monks would have the most raid utility not none as everyone says.

[Niyuka]

It will entirely depend upon how much damage needs to be healed, and if there is a return of the "only-healing healer", in which case WHM (and as it looks PLD) might be mandatory, and not outdated. I hope so. I would prefer a world where you NEED a Whm if you are not overgeared like hell to complete content, and can pick one of the others as support, simply because WHM is the most-played healer and thus should be the most-represented.

[Skyrior]

I can't even take you seriously since all your past posts indicate you're a troll.

It's ok to admit you can't handle reality.

Although I'll admit I do like your ideas! But I still don't think Cure and Cure II are things WHM don't already use often. Especially if they're main healer with a sch off heal.

1. Go look at top WHMs on FFlogs and see the amount of Cure1/Cure2 casts throughout an entire fight on damage-intensive ones like A11/12S.

2. The concept of main/off-healer is already completely debunked and is considered suboptimal. Don't know which rock you just crawled out from.

[AlphaSonic]

I can't even take you seriously since all your past posts indicate you're a troll.

He is not lying and you are using his name as an excuse to ignore his facts.

Who is the troll here now?

[TaranTatsuuchi]

It will entirely depend upon how much damage needs to be healed, and if there is a return of the "only-healing healer", in which case WHM (and as it looks PLD) might be mandatory, and not outdated. I hope so. I would prefer a world where you NEED a Whm if you are not overgeared like hell to complete content, and can pick one of the others as support, simply because WHM is the most-played healer and thus should be the most-represented.

I feel that designing a fight so that a specific class is mandatory would be a failure in design.

[Epo]

He is not lying and you are using his name as an excuse to ignore his facts.

Who is the troll here now?

I'm not ignoring his "facts," I'm saying that just by him responding indicates to me that whm is doing fine =/ Not using his name against him, just what I've learned to expect. I don't parse so I really don't know if what he's saying is true, nor do I feel like figuring out how to use FFlogs. I'm not saying he's lying or wrong, I'm just saying I can't take him at his word.