Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Exiled_Tonberry]

. But now...all I can hope is that potency and proc rate is adjusted before the class goes live.

The worse part about it is, it's not something that can be fixed with just potency increases or even proc rates. Unless it procs off of more commonly used heals like Medicas, regens and DPS spells, it's still going to be just as bad. The entire system is flawed because it's designed to force you to spam direct heals in a game where hardcasting cures over and over is a sign on a bad WHM.
And then, after all that work, all you get is a 15% single target shield, and a aoe that needs 3 stacks of ANOTHER RNG buff to even reach it's full potential.

Why lock heals under RNG gates? It's not even particularly strong heals.


You know what it feels like? It feels like SE gave up on WHM being raid relevant and just gave them dominance in dungeons, while they balance AST/SCH around raid content instead.
I'll hate this so much if it's true. For WHM to be permanently kicked out of the raiding lineup because SE couldn't be a bit more creative or simply drop the faulty idea of a pure healer...

[Aramina]

I don't recall seeing "savage level raiding" anywhere in his post.

Also, when you say to outright delete a job, it's kinda implied that you think nobody should be playing it for any reason, even if *GASP* they happen to enjoy it, regardless of whether they even intend to become a savage level raider.

I think it was pretty clear what he meant, even through the hyperbole, but as you wish.

[Rufalus]

Give WHM a stance that changes the effect of most of their spells, so it's like having twice as many. Asylum becomes a damage-dealing circle to place under enemies. Medica II's heal-over-time effect is replaced an esuna effect or something. You can think of alternate stance effects for lots of things. Put in some kind of utility like buffing the Direct Hit rate of the party / buffing Tenacity of the tanks, just some kind of support that isn't identical to what the other heal jobs are doing.

[Urthdigger]

I honestly do think people playing it for any reason, even outside of savage content, are making a mistake. Sure, people may enjoy the theme of a role, but at what point does it become something that should be actively discouraged? If Cure and Cure II were only 100 and 200 potency, would you still insist that people should be able to play WHM? Is playing as a class instead a perfectly valid way to play the game, simply because people may prefer the class's lore?

[Niroken]

If someone does level WHM here in Stormblood, could you point out if WHM Stormblood's storyline is just as terrible as Heavensward? Thank You.

[KisaiTenshi]

I doono where this other thread is but relevant:

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[Zumi]

WHM is fine it has bigger stronger heals, better aoe range. It doesn't need to be a cookie cutter copy of AST or SCH. Not everything needs to have utility spells. WHM is suppose to be the pure healer job and that was it looks like they are going for.

My group we cleared A12S pretty early on and we had a WHM as a main healer and I was Paladin. People have said that both PLD and WHM were bad yet we still cleared savage many months ago.

[Miste]

I doono where this other thread is but relevant:

lol that is actually really cute *.*

[Reiryuu]

I honestly do think people playing it for any reason, even outside of savage content, are making a mistake. Sure, people may enjoy the theme of a role, but at what point does it become something that should be actively discouraged? If Cure and Cure II were only 100 and 200 potency, would you still insist that people should be able to play WHM? Is playing as a class instead a perfectly valid way to play the game, simply because people may prefer the class's lore?

Rather, since so many people like to point at healers for not dpsing, do you want your whm to use the excuse of the lilies and mechanic of whm currently to spam cure I and cure II instead of doing dps in your dungeon group?

[Keridwyn]

By this sort of logic, in fighting games players would/should only ever play the statistically strongest character, and all the other characters should just be deleted. They don't, and they aren't.

If they both "get the job done" that's all that really matters. You think every player in this game picks the class that they do because it's the strongest one?

MMO=/= Fighting Games. Correct me if I am wrong but personal skill and knowledge of a characters moveset weigh heavily. No amount of personal skill or knowledge of moveset is suddenly going to give WHM utility like the other classes have. We cannot provide those buffs because our kit lacks them. What few buffs we did have have been stripped out.

We dont want to be the best, we would just like to be equal.