Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Yallaid]

So now you have to use Cure I and Cure II like Yoshi-P believes everyone should be doing, and if you're not, you're not using all the tools in your toolbox.

If Yoshi-P believes this, WHY did he create Regen, Medica I, Medica II, Asylum, Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Cure III and Assize.

Every one of those skills has a use that would make it preferable to Cure I or Cure II and now I'm asked to decide if one is worth casting instead of so many Cure spells and their potential Lily/Confession procs

[Urthdigger]

Are you one of Those Guys who berates fighting-game players who pick the characters that aren't considered to be among the best?

God forbid someone should play a job because they like it, or anything.

No, it's not like I was calling for people to drop WHM in HW when it was still unwanted for raids but had its own niche use in dungeons. I'm calling for it now because everything it does, another job does better.

I don't yell at people just for picking a low tier character in fighting games, but if someone picks a joke character assuming it's a real one? Damn straight I'll let them know what they're doing.

[KisaiTenshi]

Have you thought that if WHM has so much healing and it's mandatory to use it then AST/SCH combo won't be able to be used in raids? And if AST/SCH are able to heal raids then WHM becomes worthless because it doesn't bring anything that AST/SCH can?

Nice trolling btw.

Considering how frequently the hardcore raiders are saying WHM's must DPS, you'd think that the content wasn't hard. All the healers have to heal at exactly the same rate otherwise one becomes the "best" that everyone uses, and the other two are discarded.

If you take the time to read patch notes, you'll note that SE already penalizes lazy gameplay by having two of the same class/job in the party.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...d0980ac2b5a39c

2.0][3.0] In keeping with balance changes for certain dungeons and trials, the rate at which the Limit Break Gauge fills has been adjusted as follows:
Dungeons and trials accessible solo via the Duty Finder:
The Limit Break Gauge will no longer fill more slowly when multiple members of the same class/job are in the party.

Dungeons and trials requiring a full party to register via the Duty Finder:
The Limit Break Gauge will fill more slowly under the following conditions:

Three or more party members are playing as tanks.
Five or more party members are playing as DPS.
Three or more party members are playing as healers.
Two or more party members are playing the same class or job.

Class/job roles are as follows:
Tank: Gladiator / Marauder / Paladin / Warrior / Dark Knight
DPS: Pugilist / Lancer / Rogue / Monk / Dragoon / Ninja / Archer / Thaumaturge / Arcanist / Bard / Black Mage / Summoner / Machinist
Healer: Conjurer / White Mage / Scholar / Astrologian

There is always a penalty to not playing as Yoshi-P intended.

[fantasticm]

If Yoshi-P believes this, WHY did he create Regen, Medica I, Medica II, Asylum, Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Cure III and Assize.

If they are seriously expensing more MP DPS'ing than healing then they are certainly playing it as far from Yoshi-P intended it to be played as possible, so that would call for a nerf to the regen and medica II. However players playing WHM as intended still want those skills, so perhaps the CD on these skills should be extended so that they can't just be on full time.

It's not really an answer, but an explanation. Maybe.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I don't yell at people just for picking a low tier character in fighting games, but if someone picks a joke character assuming it's a real one? Damn straight I'll let them know what they're doing.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...lJokeCharacter Oh you poor simple mind. Donut underestimate the lethality of jokes, lest you become a goldmine of salt.

[Urthdigger]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...lJokeCharacter Oh you poor simple mind. Donut underestimate the lethality of jokes, lest you become a goldmine of salt.

I said joke character, not lethal joke character. Ones that are just meant to suck, not ones that have some shining gimmick they can pull out to win :P

[Fynlar]

No, it's not like I was calling for people to drop WHM in HW when it was still unwanted for raids but had its own niche use in dungeons. I'm calling for it now because everything it does, another job does better.

I don't yell at people just for picking a low tier character in fighting games, but if someone picks a joke character assuming it's a real one? Damn straight I'll let them know what they're doing.

I don't think you understand what a joke character actually is.

For the majority of content in this game WHM will continue to be a perfectly functioning healer. That does not change regardless of how many shiny new toys they give to the other healers.

[magnanimousCynic]

Better yet, make Lilies 100% proc on all selected spells so you can actually rely on the CD reduction because RNG on healing CDs is cancer and you can't plan their use if it's unreliable. That would be way better than giving multiple spells random proc chance.

I think 100% Lily proc rate would need adjustments, such as 1 and 2 Lilies being 5/10% Recast Reduction, and you can only consume 2 Lilies at a time instead of all 3 (hell, a max of 4 Lilies with 100% proc doesn't sound too powerful). That way you don't have to worry about min-maxing your Lily Efficiency.

100% proc rate for Confessions (I know you didn't mention Confessions, but it shares the same % as Lily) would be rather overpowered with the 15s Recast of Plenary Indulgence, as Confessions directly impact healing output while Lilies don't. An increase to PI's Recast, potency reduction, and/or Confession spreading via AoE healing would improve it vastly instead of being the Free Pseudo AoE heal people currently see it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

How is this so hard for you to understand?

Because Kisai is either a troll or so shockingly arrogant, she cannot even begin to process her concept of how healing works may be wrong. Keep in mind, this is someone decked out in ilvl 180 gear. She hasn't even seen the content she's been prattling on about, much less cleared it.

[Keridwyn]

For the majority of content in this game WHM will continue to be a perfectly functioning healer. That does not change regardless of how many shiny new toys they give to the other healers.

It changes when those other healers heal harder more consistantly while bringing even more to the table. Its like do you want this perfectly serviceable rifle or this perfectly serviceable rifle with a scope and larger calibur ammo? They will both get the job done but one is superior to the others.