Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Ryahask

I'd love you to explain this because I must be missing something. Aetherflow return is being lowered, but they have the potential for higher use of Aetherflow and they're receiving a new MP management tool. I do agree though, it's odd that out of the 3 the only Healer getting clearly bumped up is AST.

All healers have access to Lucid Dreaming, so we can forget about that for now. On top of that WHM/SCH have a 10% MP recovery every 60 seconds, with both having a way to decrease the recast time (Assize/Aetherflow), and AST can extend the duration of LD to make up for that. Each job has one more MP regen ability in the form of Thin Air, The Ewer and Energy Drain. All but WHMs are situational, and WHMs one also happens to be the strongest if you utilise it correctly, with SCHs being the weakest.

As I'm highlighting a potential SCH weakness, I'm going to compare it to N.AST.

• Adloquium - 1061 / Aspected Benefic - 707

Technically our AoE heal is also a lot more expensive if we're using Emergency Tactics as you have to compare Succor MP costs to Helios, which is 1326/1061.

Arguably the most used tool for the shielders, you can see that Adlo has a much higher cost. Which considering it's weaker and has a cast time makes no sense.

I'd also like to add that WHM in 3.x is only neutral on mana if you're a Sylphie. If you actually contribute to DPS, you'll have a much harder time managing MP. This was the reason SCH was so valuable, alongside the Faerie, in off-healing. Their playstyle required them to use DoTs more than nukes, and as those are more MP efficient and AF was better, they had a much easier time with sustained damage. Regardless of having the lowest DPS output of the three healers.

With their DPS rotation now also being similar to the other two, add DoT's and spam a nuke for days, that's going to be another increase in MP usage that SCHs previously didn't need to deal with. So it's a valid speculation that a WHM issue has been addressed alongside a SCH strength getting nerfed.

And in theory SCH in 3.x did have the best single target healing, it's just that we didn't need to use it or waste our resources on it. Physick combined with Embrace and potentially three Lustrates per Aetherflow was not something that AST or WHM could match.

Originally Posted by Kabzy

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WHM can maintain a steady DPS rotation without running dry on MP. You are correct that WHM has by far the least wiggle room, and so for that extra MP management is nice.

I have to admit you raised a really interesting point in that SCH MP costs may rise due to more frequent nuke spam and while we'll have to wait to see how it turns out, I would agree that it's a valid concern.

SCH doesn't have the highest single target healing, it's a common misconception. Even using Aetherflow, AST has higher. What SCH does have is the highest sustainable single target, as AST will blow their MP in about 2 minutes if attempting to keep it up (Though that's obviously unnecessary).


As an aside, I can't believe they've yet to fix this annoying character limit.

Originally Posted by Ryahask

...Lastly, WHM doesn't need more MP management. I won't turn my nose up at, it's something extra to use, but a WHM properly managing their current tools can stay net neutral in MP. I would suggest that the new damage utility SCH is receiving ensures they remain in the spotlight. As it stands now data mining is suggesting 15% crit for 15s, which is quite considerable if accurate. We'll need to wait and see, but I wouldn't debate the balance of anything currently because we won't know until we have final numbers...

Yep. Only needed extra mana on hardcore dPSing big endgame pulls. Even then, I'd swap back to heal before OOM. More mana in SB was not asked. Free cure, Assize, SoS... I mean c'mon. I ALWAYS had extra mana to play with. Maybe they are doing this for the nubbins that think "Cure 2?! Wow, I'll never use Cure ever again!" I remember those folks in 2.0 days
That or they are artificially increasing mana usage to MAKE a need for it? Hope not.

Originally Posted by MyowzayaTrousas

It boggles my mind that there's over 200 pages of feedback on a single job's status in an expansion that nobody has even played yet. WHM is fine.

How do you know if it's fine if you haven't played it either?

Just because you don't know how to make educated guesses about how things will play out doesn't mean others are as clueless.

White mages have 3 less abilities than the other healers. Still don't understand why.

The only thing the upset WHM's will take at this point is a 20% damage increase AoE balance to all party members for 30 seconds on a minute cooldown.
Then maybe... just maybe, perhaps they will consider everything to be fair.