Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Kitfox

WHM is the best 4-man dungeon crawler, but it's because of Holy and nothing else really.

I think a lot of tanks don't realize that the amount of OCD instant cast 0 mp cost heals on WHM and SCH put AST in the dirt. WHM will grow in this department in 4.0 with cooldown reduction, plenary indulgence, and 3 min cooldown time on benediction.

I've seen Tanks go do some huge pull (some not popping proper cooldowns) and quickly die before an AST can do anything about it. Then, they think its the AST's fault because they're used to a WHM or SCH being able to baby sit them with the OCD heals. The other result in this scenario is AST is having to GCD more heals than a WHM or SCH and every GCD of heal is 1 less GCD of damage.

Originally Posted by Saraphin

...Macro.....so much macro text that could be fun to do XD

but on a serious note...WHMs do not want to be this. we do not want to be the ones that people go to for dungeons to gear up and left on the bench for the Raid-Game.

Its unfortunate for players who want to stick to 1 job for all content, but I'll probably use WHM for dungeons and AST for raids if SE doesn't pull something out of Thin Air. Did you see what I did there? /wink

Originally Posted by Saraphin

we can only hope, as many have noted, the early release stuff has already started getting WHMs kicked from content. this is not good. we want WHM to be as viable as the other healing classes (though AST, as many have said) have seemed to come out on top of a lot...

we will be waiting and watching and hoping. that's all we can do other than put our ideas/thoughts concerns out.

Take it from a raider who barely touches WHM. There is not any reason to start treating WHM differently from how you have for the past 8 months. In Stormblood, I believe we can expect WHM to be the best healer for dungeons.

Originally Posted by Seraphyna

Am I supposed to be excited about the bolded?

I can't tell you how infrequently I cast Cure II. It's almost nil. Regen, Medica/II, Cure (when needed), all yes. Cure II, hardly.

You know who I see spamming Cure II? New Whm's and those whose panic. That's who.

I have to agree that the cast frequency of Cure 1 and Cure 2 for skilled players is extremely low. That means the utilization of any new systems tied specifically to those 2 spells will also be as low, unless it is expanded to spells that we use with greater frequency.

Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings!

First off, thank you all for the continued feedback regarding the upcoming changes to white mage in Patch 4.0. We've been reading through it all and sharing it with the team.

As some have already pointed out, Yoshida recently made a comment about how casting Cure II will now grant a lily 100% of the time. The information and data revealed during the recent media tour was from a build made in late April, and various actions have been modified since then. While we continue to collect and relay your valuable feedback to the dev. team, we ask you to keep that in mind and hang tight a bit longer, until the finalized information is revealed in the patch notes.

10 more days till the early access!

I am repeating myself like a broken record because of the importantance of this question, but the most important question from raiders that you can bring to the devs from us is, "why would we bring a WHM to raids when we can have The Balance and Chain Stratagem?" This question holds the greatest weight to us, and is intended to be a serious matter (not offensive).

Originally Posted by Mahkii

I am repeating myself like a broken record because of the importance of this question, but the most important question from raiders that you can bring to the devs from us is, "why would we bring a WHM to raids when we can have The Balance and Chain Stratagem?" This question holds the greatest weight to us, and is intended to be a serious matter (not offensive).

You forgot to bold that, so that they realize this.

as for the rest; I've raided on WHM and while they were former friends, i did get plenty of Flak for playing a WHM and not another class, but they didn't ever make me change.

Originally Posted by Mahkii

"why would we bring a WHM to raids when we can have The Balance and Chain Stratagem?"

You are asking for "Meta spot" and Meta Spot has nothing to do with Gameplay. If WHM is out of Meta that doesn't mean that WHM is bad or WHM's gameplay is bad or boring...Ask for "Meta spot" is not the point here.

Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

You are asking for "Meta spot" and Meta Spot has nothing to do with Gameplay. If WHM is out of Meta that doesn't mean that WHM is bad or WHM's gameplay is bad or boring...Ask for "Meta spot" is not the point here.

Well, on Ultros (and a few others have said here) WHMs are already getting kicked from things like Weeping City and Dun Scaithe. what we want is to not be afraid of even being kicked from The 24 man raid, which is looking more and more like it might happen.

And Ex Primals could be considered "raids", not Savage raid levels but 8 man raids of sorts.

Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

snip.

The problem is, this is happening to NEW players, not just Vet players. New players don't know what to do. they freak out when this happens. The Media Tour build was a disaster to the Reputation for WHM and because MANY People saw it, the stigma is there. it is going to take something very big to stop this type of thing.

Originally Posted by Saraphin

The problem is, this is happening to NEW players, not just Vet players. New players don't know what to do. they freak out when this happens. The Media Tour build was a disaster to the Reputation for WHM and because MANY People saw it, the stigma is there. it is going to take something very big to stop this type of thing.

Was only a disaster to the whm rep because players made it so. The freak out was real and most of it not constructive at all in the beginning. Some folks didn't get want they want as far as skills and effectively self sabotaged the class. However, that rep may not be as badly damaged either. From talking to people in game a lot of players seem to think the reaction was overblown. So it might salvaged yet.

Originally Posted by Saraphin

The problem is, this is happening to NEW players, not just Vet players. New players don't know what to do. they freak out when this happens. The Media Tour build was a disaster to the Reputation for WHM and because MANY People saw it, the stigma is there. it is going to take something very big to stop this type of thing.

I don't agree with you, people who care meta is really really low, people used to play what they enjoy, if people play WHM and its really boring, or hard RNG scripted they wont play WHM, but if WHM is fun and you can complete any kind of content with WHM, they will play WHM. (People running world first or speed run are pretty know of meta, so they know what to play)

Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

I don't agree with you, people who care meta is really really low, people used to play what they enjoy, if people play WHM and its really boring, or hard RNG scripted they wont play WHM, but if WHM is fun and you can complete any kind of content with WHM, they will play WHM. (People running world first or speed run are pretty know of meta, so they know what to play)

Being able to complete it doesn't matter if no one is inviting you to begin with.