Thread: Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Scholar and ast lost aero.

So did WHM, it rolls into Aero II now.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Ast lost combust. Scholar have Bane nerfed. Scholar lost bio. Scholar lost miasma 2. AST lost disable. Scholar lost virus.

WHM lost Divine Seal, Stoneskin I & II, also Stone 1, 2, and 3 since they all roll into Stone 4 (although to be fair there's no real reason to use a lower version), and we already mentioned losing Aero.

On top of that we donated Cleric Stance and Protect to the Role skills along with half of Lucid Dreaming (AST donated the other half).

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Just starting to think that most of these "whm" complainers are the ones who stay 90% of the time "healing" and want a utility just to not say they're useless.

Actually the current system benefits the overhealers and those who suboptimally spam Cure and Cure II. We would like that changed. We also would like a utility because we quite literally have fewer abilities than either AST or SCH, ten fewer actually if you account for cards and fairy skills. We would like to stand around less and contribute more in ways other than dps.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Just stop saying whm is broke while you didn't see the buffs that it got. Atm whm has to do 600 more dps to compensate 50% (being optimist) of time by ast's aoe balance.

We saw the buffs, we also saw AST's buffs. Like the buff to AST's sects that lets it completely outheal our 'pure healer' selves. DPS isn't the raid utility you think it is.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

WHM will have insane dps compared to the other 2 healers; they didn't lose their dots, they got assize buffed, they got stone 4 (260 potency), lucid dream which is 21 secs (Don't know why you're complaining about losing saints since lucid dream is better) and plus more healing.

We already covered we lost Aero, we have Aero 2 & 3 and I didn't see their potency going up. Stone 4 is nice but again, damage is not utility. We complain about losing SoS because it costs us one of five role abilities to buy it back. As it stands we have to drop Cleric Stance to take Swiftcast so to get any more of the Role abilities we give up either Protect, Esuna, Lucid Dream, or Largess. All of those abilities were base parts of our kit at one time. AST went half and half with us on Lucid Dreaming so they only have to spend one Role ability to get back what they gave up to it. Same with SCH and E4E.

Originally Posted by Caduagm

Also, at least whm job gauge has an utility. AST just got a gauge to show the cards(???)Just please, stop being selfish saying your class is broken and look to the other ones too.

Your gauge at least fits your class and helps it do what it's supposed to do better. Our gauge actively encourages a poor playstyle that overheals and drains our mana hard. It gives us a buff that AST uses as Royal Road fodder in such a low quantity that we are not going to notice it. We would almost get more use from the AST gauge than our own.

In short, SCH I feel pain for your loss of dots and the nerf to your AoE. AST...you don't need my help. You are better in every way but dps.


Sorry it took so long, I am on mobile.

Originally Posted by Keridwyn

[...] We already covered we lost Aero, we have Aero 2 & 3 and I didn't see their potency going up. [...]

Technically, for high level content we also lost Aero II. It will still be on our bars, sure, but we'll probably never cast it again. Unless there's a mana issue, where Stone IV would cost too much and put us out of mana, Aero II is a dps loss, since its full potency seems to be lower than one Stone IV (250 vs 260).

Also, Thanks a lot Reiryuu for taking the time to compile all of this. Just one thing I don't think you mentionned on your first post, the lackluster reward from lilies. You mentionned the conditions for gaining them and how quickly we will lose them, but not the shitty reward they give for such a high "cost" (bad playing by spamming Cures instead of Regen I mean).
Semirhage explained it clearly here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4175579

Originally Posted by Estriella_Faerie

Also, Thanks a lot Reiryuu for taking the time to compile all of this. Just one thing I don't think you mentionned on your first post, the lackluster reward from lilies. You mentionned the conditions for gaining them and how quickly we will lose them, but not the shitty reward they give for such a high "cost" (bad playing by spamming Cures instead of Regen I mean).
Semirhage explained it clearly here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4175579

Done! Thanks for the link